[Ladogaboy]

California has changed in the last 10-15 years, and I'm not sure it's all (or much) for the better.

 

[Mister Dave]

California has changed in the last 10-15 years, and I'm not sure it's all (or much) for the better.

More crowded maybe?

 

[Ladogaboy]

More crowded maybe?

And gentrified. We used to keep all of our wealthy elites in a couple of small enclaves... but they escaped.

 

[Mister Dave]

And gentrified. We used to keep all of our wealthy elites in a couple of small enclaves... but they escaped.

Relative overcrowding reading options: https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHBD_enUS705US705&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=effect+of+overcrowding+on+mental+health

As for social memes:

“Ideas have retained some of the properties of organisms,” he wrote. “Like them, they tend to perpetuate their structure and to breed; they too can fuse, recombine, segregate their content; indeed they too can evolve, and in this evolution selection must surely play an important role.”

Your perception of your neighbors might be more of an observation of a social organisms (a disease if you like) than anything else. I submit that Veblen culture follows similar patterns.

Out my way we have all types. I see plenty of Teslas and even more Volts. What I don't see much are ELRs and Leafs, though I've seen several Leafs at NDEW events so they're out there somewhere.

Actually, there was a Leaf 2 cars ahead of me at the car wash last Sunday, but that was more a rare surprise.

Maybe here on the edge of rural country we have a bit more diversity, but also some practicality.

 

[bro1999]

Hmm but you don't disagree with my Nissan or Prius statement?(those comments denote smugness and DBAGishness)

I have never met a TSLA owner that is as I describe in person but I certainly have met people who want to own a Tesla that certainly are.
Likewise the constant internet chatter on Tesla in such places as vintage PC forums is at a minimum troll like.
A as yet non-existent Tesla product coming up as a solution to an immediate need in regards to something unrelated to Tesla is another winner.

The no Volt owners care about (insert one) environment, pollution, emissions, fossil fuels.
Statements have many times came from a current or past Tesla owner (one had a leaf wanted a Tesla and was lambasting a volt driver about how he should have a Tesla with supercharger technology because he obviously doesn't know how to think critically and doesn't care about the environment )
I can't count the number of times that statement comes in regards to the volt, yet the PIP and prime were immune to the same scrutiny.

Needless to say I group many of the off topic Tesla comments on other forums into the same category as Nissan epower shills and Hummer is greener guy statements

So needlessly to say if you don't fall into the average online Tesla forum poster category, I am sorry I offended you.
You are a true hero to break with the fold and own opposing products each with their own advantages.
I guarantee you are likely not apart of the vocal minority on the Tesla forum, if you were to poll how many Tesla owners also own a Volt or leaf or really any other EV you would find a strong divide, likewise if you were to poll Tesla wannabes on the subject of would they own something other than a Tesla you would also get a strong divide.

I don't own a Nissan or Prius so I don't make general assumptions to the point I can or would disagree with your statement.

I also don't see how owning both a Volt and a Tesla is a requirement to not be a Dbag when I have met a ton of people that own one or the other and even leafs and we all get along just fine without denigrating the other's choice based on a bunch of internet commandos. Maybe you should step away from the keyboard and actually go meet these people at EV get together. Just try not start the conversation with "you are a smug Dbag for owning a Tesla" and you might find Tesla people to be very enthusiastic about all things EV.

The one TSLA owner in my neighborhood I know is a good guy. Is for all things EV. Even owns a Think City
Most every other Tesla owner I've encountered has the Tesla shroud of arrogance surrounding them.

Especially that one d!CK Tesla owner that completely ignored my request to plug in my Bolt at Whole Foods which has free charging stations. And hung the plug back like an aforementioned dbag no less.

 

[Bluesideup]

The one TSLA owner in my neighborhood I know is a good guy. Is for all things EV. Even owns a Think City
Most every other Tesla owner I've encountered has the Tesla shroud of arrogance surrounding them.

Especially that one d!CK Tesla owner that completely ignored my request to plug in my Bolt at Whole Foods which has free charging stations. And hung the plug back like an aforementioned dbag no less.

I had a similar situation at an airport where I left a note asking them to plug me in as they were still charging. Came back and it wasn't plugged in. The d!ck as you put it was a fellow Dbag volt owner. I chalked it up to maybe not understanding that it was free or he just didn't want to use his card to start my charge.

I know I didn't think any less of them for it and I certainly didn't put all Volt owners in the Dbag category because of it.

As for not plugging you in I know it sucks but their could have been a thousand reasons they didn't do it (had a crying kid, didn't want to swipe his card, didn't understand your charging port, didn't know it was free to everyone, didn't want to mess with someone elses car, hangry wife telling him they had to get home and make their kale/quinoa salad, had soy based gluten free ice cream that was melting all over his interior, was pissed he just spent his WHOLE paycheck for a bag of trail mix, etc) but I am sure you just automatically assumed it was because he drove a Tesla and was a Dbag.

 

[rmay635703]

I don't own a Nissan or Prius so I don't make general assumptions to the point I can or would disagree with your statement.

I also don't see how owning both a Volt and a Tesla is a requirement to not be a Dbag when I have met a ton of people that own one or the other and even leafs and we all get along just fine without denigrating the other's choice based on a bunch of internet commandos. Maybe you should step away from the keyboard and actually go meet these people at EV get together. Just try not start the conversation with "you are a smug Dbag for owning a Tesla" and you might find Tesla people to be very enthusiastic about all things EV.

Re read my statements, my experience online with people who talk up Tesla and experience in person with real owners is different .

My experience with people who want but don't own a Tesla has been mostly negative, like talking to a political add, they are usually the most likely to put down my ownership of a Volt

You talk about me denigrating others choices but my opinion is from that exact behavior in terms of owning a Volt.
If you go to other forums besides this one because you have owned various makes and discuss owning a Volt you are likely to get a negative reaction, even if you are legitimately interested in comparing the different cars for say a 2nd car.

That has been my experience on the Tesla forum at least, leaf forum goes that way as well

 

[trm2]

This is reminding me of the Apple versus Android smartphone war, which Apple lost many years ago, and still loses even with the latest iPhone (no Bluetooth or audio jack).

Ray, I hate to break it to you, but the newest iPhone does indeed have Bluetooth and it comes with everything you need to plug in headphones if you don't want to use Bluetooth. Oh, and imho, my phone with Nougat really, really pales in comparison to any iPhone i ever used.

 

[Tom17]

I think you'd be lucky to get a M3 70D for "up to maybe $10K more".

The rumor is the cost of options should be cheaper on the Model 3. $4K - $5K for the dual motor option. and $4K- $5K for the battery upgrade. So with no other options, a 70D might be possible for a $10K upgrade. Being realistic with a few other options I know I would be looking at $50K - $55K as the final cost. I would be willing to go that high knowing I would get the full tax credit. Since my reservation number is in the 23,3XX range, I am expecting to get the full credit as long I take delivery by the first quarter in 2018. This is when I realistically expect to get my Model 3 in New Jersey. Chance for late 2017 but trying to be realistic. I would also plan on owning this Model 3 for many years. I plan on still keeping my well built 2013 Volt around and it will likely be mainly used by my kids.

 

[trm2]

The rumor is the cost of options should be cheaper on the Model 3. $4K - $5K for the dual motor option. and $4K- $5K for the battery upgrade. So with no other options, a 70D might be possible for a $10K upgrade. Being realistic with a few other options I know I would be looking at $50K - $55K as the final cost. I would be willing to go that high knowing I would get the full tax credit. Since my reservation number is in the 23,3XX range, I am expecting to get the full credit as long I take delivery by the first quarter in 2018. This is when I realistically expect to get my Model 3 in New Jersey. Chance for late 2017 but trying to be realistic. I would also plan on owning this Model 3 for many years. I plan on still keeping my well built 2013 Volt around and it will likely be mainly used by my kids.

I'm curious, how do you know your reservation number is 23,xxx?

 

[Elemental]

God damnnit! I thought the ELR would show the world I'm a DBag. Now I have to get a Tesla.

 

[rmay635703]

God damnnit! I thought the ELR would show the world I'm a DBag. Now I have to get a Tesla.

Damn straight, I could increase my cred with a Tesla in the stable.

 

[trm2]

I only know three people with a Tesla and they are all fine people. Reading some of the Tesla forums, it makes me not want to buy my 3. Some of the people posting there seem like dbags.

 

[Bacardi]

I'm curious, how do you know your reservation number is 23,xxx?

Folks on the TM forums discovered a way to find it by logging in, but once the method went viral Tesla shut it down...

 

[trm2]

Folks on the TM forums discovered a way to find it by logging in, but once the method went viral Tesla shut it down...

Thanks, I must have missed that post.

 

[Chris TX]

Reading some of the Tesla forums, it makes me not want to buy my 3. Some of the people posting there seem like dbags.

Because you're afraid getting a Model 3 is going to make you a douchebag?

 

[bro1999]

Because you're afraid getting a Model 3 is going to make you a douchebag?

Probably afraid of the Model S/X owner snobs that have said "psssh, Model 3 owners don't deserve the same access to service/supercharging since they didn't pay 100k like I did".

 

[Chris TX]

Probably afraid of the Model S/X owner snobs that have said "psssh, Model 3 owners don't deserve the same access to service/supercharging since they didn't pay 100k like I did".

I have yet to come across a single MS/X owner that thinks like that. Why the paranoia?

 

[Tom17]

I'm curious, how do you know your reservation number is 23,xxx?

Barcardi is correct. I saw the article on a tech website that showed how to check your Model 3 reservation number, but it no longer works. The hole was corrected by Tesla. I tried checking for a friend to to avail. I got most of the people I know that put in a reservation to check before they fixed the site. My number was 373,3XX and supposedly the numbers started at 350,000. That would put me at 23,3XX. I waited on line in New Jersey before the store opened and my reservation was taken about 10:35 AM. So about 35 minutes after the reservations started at stores.

 

[Bluesideup]

I only know three people with a Tesla and they are all fine people. Reading some of the Tesla forums, it makes me not want to buy my 3. Some of the people posting there seem like dbags.

If you were a Tesla owner and were interested in picking up a Volt/Bolt and you were reading this forum where you are being called a Dbag just for owning a Tesla would it make you want to buy a Volt/Bolt?

I am sure in real life all these people are very nice and interested in EV adoption but coming on the interweb and listening to internet commando shouldn't affect your buying decision on bit. The most likely reaction from a model S/X owner seeing a model 3 would be asking to take a look at it.