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The more dialog I hear, the more I am forced to wonder: Is there a cultural divide between Bolt EV owners (or prospective owners) and other EV owners (in particular, Tesla owners)?

Some of the differences I've noticed are:
  • Wealth
  • Truck ownership
  • Gun ownership
  • Metropolitan living

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it really does feel like the Bolt EV is playing the role of the EV "for the rest of us." Am I off my rocker?
 

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Yes the majority of Tesla owners are a very special combination of smug and DBAg at least the ones who post in forums anyway.

Prius owners go on about how Chevy offerings are invalid, unreliable and have insufficient interior space for strollers 2 cars seats and grandma

Nissan buyers complain that no volt owner cares about the environment and that the bolt isn't comfortable for a 6'4 280lb man
 

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On the Internet you're liable to encounter opinionated people with strongly-held views. Most people don't bother with forums.

I expect that, at least on the Internet you'll find a clear divide amongst owners of different PEVs, and Tesla v Chevrolet is liable to be very strong, since their approaches will divide idealists and pragmatists.

I want a Model 3 (idealistic) but I'd fall back to a Bolt (pragmatic). :p
 

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As we can see from the comments, and other web sites postings, Tesla Model S and Nissan Leaf fans are "exclusive", in the sense that only the "special cases" deserve those BEVs. GM designed the Chevy Bolt EV based on the most common sized vehicle sold worldwide: the compact people carrier. I have one - a 2009 Chevy Equinox (see my signature), and it may not be "sexy" (who has sex with their cars? Do they do it through the tailpipe?) or "sporty" (who races with their cars every day?), but the Equinox is the best selling CUV (and the second best vehicle) in GM's line which has the best rear space for three pasengers, a higher riding height, a flat floor, and plenty of interior cargo space when the rear seat backs are folded forward (I have carried 4 ft x 8 ft panels, 8 ft lumber, and a 10 ft aluminum ladder INSIDE). It also have a roof rack for even larger cargo, but I have not needed it.

But most cars are smaller than the Equinox, so the Bolt is a smaller CUV that still has more interior space than the TM Model S, the Nissan Leaf, and all other BEVs (except the Model X), a high ride height (for older passengers and some drivers), a really flat floor (from door to door), a rear bench seat (for sliding across), a roof rack, and some cargo space behind the rear seats with a cover. And just like the Equinox, the Bolt EV can fold down the rear seat backs and caryy more and larger cargo INSIDE, too.

So, if you want a "special" BEV, look elsewhere. But if you want a family BEV that can do almost EVERYTHING that a family car can do, especially to carry passengers and cargo, yet spend less money and have the best GM technology, buy the Chevy Bolt EV. I am patiently waiting for the Bolt EV to arrive in my market to replace my Equinox.
 

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On the Internet you're liable to encounter opinionated people with strongly-held views. Most people don't bother with forums.

I expect that, at least on the Internet you'll find a clear divide amongst owners of different PEVs, and Tesla v Chevrolet is liable to be very strong, since their approaches will divide idealists and pragmatists.

I want a Model 3 (idealistic) but I'd fall back to a Bolt (pragmatic). :p
I am a 2013 Volt owner and am leaning toward the Model 3 for my next vehicle over the Bolt EV. I am 23,XXX in the reservation list. I actually love the look of the Model 3 and like knowing I would have access to the Tesla supercharging stations even if at cost. These will likely be faster charges. If Chevy had a similar supported network in place I might be driving a Bolt EV right now. In all honesty I love my Volt and probably would also love the Bolt EV, but I like the slightly better look of the Model 3 and the charging network will likely be the deciding factor. I am not worried about service as I live 4 miles from a Tesla showroom / repair facility in NJ. I am waiting for more details on all the Model 3 pricing options before I make a decision and in no rush. I also have over $1,800 in GM Rewards of which $1,000 could be used toward the purchase of a Bolt EV. Even with the $1K I can use toward the Bolt EV I am still leaning toward the Model 3. And who said the charging network will not help sell a vehicle?
 

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And who said the charging network will not help sell a vehicle?
I do and they don't. I don't need any "charging network", because I have my own. Taking the time to visit a charging station is as bad as visiting a gasoline refueling station, which includes waiting in line, and having to travel in bad weather. And if I have to pay to visit a charging station, I rather stay home, plan my trips carefully, and charge my BEV overnight slowly while I sleep. If gasoline stations don't help sell a gas car, that network will only sell their own brand which isn't the best BEV anyway.

This is reminding me of the Apple versus Android smartphone war, which Apple lost many years ago, and still loses even with the latest iPhone (no Bluetooth or audio jack). Tesla Motors lost the small BEV war against GM! Only "fan boys" will continue to push the Model 3 against the Chevy Bolt EV. Be realistic and buy the Chevy Bolt EV.
 

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Do to price, there is a difference between Tesla owners and other EV owners - it is a much smaller strata of folks that can afford Telsas and that creates clear demographic differences - including wealth and location.

As far as the Bolt being the EV for the rest of us, it is the clear leader in the clubhouse. In the price / range equation, it doesn't have any competition. It certainly will be the EV for the rest of us over the next 18 months or so. At least until the Model 3 and Leaf 2.0 have been on sale for several months each.

Do you what strikes me as unusual? When I met EV owners in person, they always come across as positive. I know I'm always happy to see another EV driver, "someone who gets it", even if they aren't in a Leaf. I give them a Thumbs Up and it doesn't matter what they are driving. It's just on the internet that I see the loud mouths.
 

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I don't think so. A Tesla is a special case since it's a Veblen vehicle, but this isn't any different than what you'd find between people who buy Range Rovers and those who buy RAV4s. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I can't see the Bolt EV being a big hit in rural areas, though there is a huge difference in "rural" rural areas and "urban" rural areas. For long distances even the Bolt EV isn't ideally suited.
 

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I don't think so. A Tesla is a special case since it's a Veblen vehicle, but this isn't any different than what you'd find between people who buy Range Rovers and those who buy RAV4s. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I can't see the Bolt EV being a big hit in rural areas, though there is a huge difference in "rural" rural areas and "urban" rural areas. For long distances even the Bolt EV isn't ideally suited.
To quote a famous swordsman "you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means". Per wikipedia definition of a Veblen good: The high price makes the goods desirable as status symbols, by way of conspicuous consumption and conspicuous leisure; conversely, a decrease of the prices of Veblen goods would decrease demand for the products

Does anyone here think Tesla sales would drop if they lowered the price (*cough* Model 3 *cough*)? That Tesla would sell more cars by simply raising their prices? That Teslas are only in demand because of their high price, and not their high-performance, attractive styling, and long range (a combo that no one else has yet put on the market)?

They don't fit the definition at all...
 

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I think EV owners and enthusiasts used to be a relatively cohesive group, but as the market has grown some schisms have become apparent, reflecting the broader automotive market. I see that as a good trend. If we're lucky eventually the internet will be filled with pointless arguments about EVs similar to those about who makes the best pickups: Ford or GM. The only thing we can all agree on is that it's not FCA, Toyota or Nissan.
 

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I'd love to be proven wrong, but I can't see the Bolt EV being a big hit in rural areas, though there is a huge difference in "rural" rural areas and "urban" rural areas. For long distances even the Bolt EV isn't ideally suited.
I'd bet that an AWD Bolt would be more popular in many "rural" areas. People in rural areas put more miles on their cars. Having a convenient DCFC might be a requirement though.
 

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Do to price, there is a difference between Tesla owners and other EV owners - it is a much smaller strata of folks that can afford Telsas and that creates clear demographic differences - including wealth and location.
That could be what I'm sensing. One of the key things that brought this up was my recent trip to Zion. I couldn't care less about going to Las Vegas, which seems to be what all of the Tesla owners have commented about (e.g., "But can it make it to Vegas?"). All of the people who own Bolt EVs or are considering one responded with, "Screw Vegas. But I love to visit Zion, Bryce, Grand Canyon, etc." It just seems like the groups (obviously not inclusive of all members) have very different priorities and interests.
 

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I don't think so. A Tesla is a special case since it's a Veblen vehicle, but this isn't any different than what you'd find between people who buy Range Rovers and those who buy RAV4s. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I can't see the Bolt EV being a big hit in rural areas, though there is a huge difference in "rural" rural areas and "urban" rural areas. For long distances even the Bolt EV isn't ideally suited.

Your comment about the Bolt and rural areas reminded me of a former gm-Volt regular who used his Volt to tend his ranch. I recall photos of him hauling feed for his goats, etc. Who knows how people will use/adapt the Bolt going forward? It hauls people, it can also haul supplies.

I used to live out in the "sticks". In rural areas, especially in the West, gas can be very expensive. Retail gas pumps are few and far between, only run when the adjacent general store is open, and sometimes out of gas if they didn't get their delivery. If you don't have your own bulk gasoline storage tank on-site, you have to pay careful attention to fill up/top off at every opportunity. On the other hand, cost-effective grid electricity is in all kinds of rural areas. Long-range BEVs that charge up every night at home can be a god-send.
 

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All of the people who own Bolt EVs or are considering one responded with, "Screw Vegas. But I love to visit Zion, Bryce, Grand Canyon, etc." It just seems like the groups (obviously not inclusive of all members) have very different priorities and interests.
Utah Senate approves call to shrink Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument

Utah House Republicans push to eliminate Bears Ears Monument, shrink Grand Staircase-Escalante

Knowing how many folks from out-of-state like yourself enjoy these public lands owned by each and every American, it is rather embarrassing that my elected officials are actively trying to give these away to special interests.:(



If you frequent National Parks and have some time to kill I suggest tuning into the above recent Rogan podcast which discusses the impacts of 'giving away' these public lands that belong to everyone!;)
 

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That could be what I'm sensing. One of the key things that brought this up was my recent trip to Zion. I couldn't care less about going to Las Vegas, which seems to be what all of the Tesla owners have commented about (e.g., "But can it make it to Vegas?"). All of the people who own Bolt EVs or are considering one responded with, "Screw Vegas. But I love to visit Zion, Bryce, Grand Canyon, etc." It just seems like the groups (obviously not inclusive of all members) have very different priorities and interests.
This is nothing new...It's essentially Tesla vs all other BEVs/PHEVs and then you have a subset of BEVs owners vs PHEV...

Like I've said repeatedly, I'm in a big volleyball community, when I got my Volt folks thought I was crazy (most of you think I already am so let's go with MORE crazy)...My friend got an used 911 at nearly the same time, he offered a quick ride up and back to P.V. and a half dozen girls took him up on the offer and of course snapchats videos and social media selfies followed...The bottom line was the 911 was all smiles with the girls while my Volt resulting in some of the same girls to be concerned with my judgment...
 

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My friend got an used 911 at nearly the same time, he offered a quick ride up and back to P.V. and a half dozen girls took him up on the offer and of course snapchats videos and social media selfies followed...The bottom line was the 911 was all smiles with the girls while my Volt resulting in some of the same girls to be concerned with my judgment...
Heh, at least you've got a car that was designed in the last decade. That 911 hasn't changed much since about 1992. :)

(Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration. 2004. Seriously, go look at all of them since then. Or better yet, have someone else collect like 30 photos in various colors and see if you can group them by model year.)
 

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The more dialog I hear, the more I am forced to wonder: Is there a cultural divide between Bolt EV owners (or prospective owners) and other EV owners (in particular, Tesla owners)?

Some of the differences I've noticed are:
  • Wealth
  • Truck ownership
  • Gun ownership
  • Metropolitan living

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but it really does feel like the Bolt EV is playing the role of the EV "for the rest of us." Am I off my rocker?
I think you just described demographics. However, if the Tesla Model3 does indeed come in at a reasonable price, then I think the demographic difference will lessen. Having said that, I'm a bit skeptical that the M3 will actually compete with the Bolt. I think it'll be more like Audi competing with Volkswagen.
 

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I think you just described demographics. However, if the Tesla Model3 does indeed come in at a reasonable price, then I think the demographic difference will lessen. Having said that, I'm a bit skeptical that the M3 will actually compete with the Bolt. I think it'll be more like Audi competing with Volkswagen.[/QUO

I agree that the Model 3 and the Bolt EV may target slightly different groups, but each can choose either with a slight uptick in cost for the Model 3 purchase, when options are added. The Model 3 is more likley to target people who may be the the BMW 3 series class. I personally love the exterior look of the Model 3 over the Bolt EV. Not to say I do not like the BOLT EV. If I had to pick right now, I would choose the Model 3 over the BOLT EV for up to maybe $10K more, if I could get a Model 3 70D. I would want the dual motor for winters in New Jersey. And yes the availability of charging networks does weigh in on the purchase with access to the Tesla super chargers for quicker charging times on the longer distance travels over standard level2 or DCFC.
 

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Yes the majority of Tesla owners are a very special combination of smug and DBAg at least the ones who post in forums anyway.
There are a few Tesla owners here who own Chevrolet products as well... so be careful there....
I'm friends with a very fine older gentleman (local attorney) who plans on trading in his i3 for a Model 3 when it's available because he's unhappy with the harsh i3 ride characteristics. He's neither "smug" or a "DBag" just a nice, regular guy like most of us. Who knows... maybe I'll get him interested in the Bolt rather than the M3.
 

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If we're lucky eventually the internet will be filled with pointless arguments about EVs similar to those about who makes the best pickups: Ford or GM. The only thing we can all agree on is that it's not FCA, Toyota or Nissan.
Oh really? Was that sarcasm, or are you trying to pick a fight? :p
 
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