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Both Ford and GM have BEV truck experience. I have seen ads and articles for the electric Chevy S-10 and electric Ford Ranger, but both are obsolete since they were using lead-acid batteries. Now they would be using Li-ion cells, and modern controllers which can handle more power in less space.

Both Ford and GM can return to the BEV truck market for their smaller models (Ranger and Colorado), and use plug-in hybrids for their larger models (F-150 and Silverado). I also agree that all these EV trucks should have local power outlets (115 and 230 VAC) for remote and emergency use.

BTW, all the Ford Hybrids and Energi do have a 110 VAC outlet on the rear of the center console toward the rear seats. It is identified as the "110 Volt AC Power Point", and can supply up to 150 watts. The Ford Escape Hybrid was the first. And I know this, not because I saw it in the Escape Hybrid, but I was searching to buy an Escape Hybrid in 2009 and I read all about it.

Read about the Fusion Hybrid here, select "Interior Features", and look for the "Power Point":
http://www.ford.com/cars/fusion/trim/hybrid/

So if Ford does produce a hybrid F-150, it will have this "Power Point" inside, but we do wish there will be one on the outside with a better than 150 watt capacity.

Raymond
 
Ford is really covering all of the bases with the F-150. I think they basically want to offer a truck for every demographic. I've seen spy photos recently of an F-150 with a diesel too.

As for an F-150 PHEV, I would say if they don't go crazy with a huge battery, and keep the overall cost in check, this could work for them. A diesel is a $5000 to $8000 option (usually). So, if they could do a PHEV truck for that much of an up-charge, and get maybe 40-50 mpge, this could work.
 
Nelson :
Loboc ,


I like your specs but,
The Bolt EV 60 kWh lithium-ion battery pack weights 960 lbs.
I think a 40 kWh lithium-ion battery pack would shave at least 200 lbs.


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Volt#671
I guess a 40kWh optional would work. However, Tesla has not had a lot of success with smaller battery packs. The total output would be higher for 60kWh.

I'm thinking enough so that weekend trips to HD would be all electric. Only fire the big dog engine when you need the power. Heck, most pickups I see around DFW are set up to commute to work and back. A regular job, not contractor work. These are weekend warrior types.
 
Viking79 :
Great way to gain acceptance for EV, put them in the most profitable vehicle segment, but for it to be competitive they need to out perform gas/diesel. So they should make a large V8 plug-in with torquey electric motor that out hauls anything else.


Most of the EV have been .. to the green crowd. That is fine, but won’t win wide adoption.
Exactly. Any hybrid or EV pickup needs to be better than an equivalent gas pickup.
 
As we discuss battery sizes, we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that a truck is bigger, heavier and less aerodynamic than the electrified vehicles we know. The battery that would carry a Bolt 200 miles won't come close to that installed in even a modest pickup.

If you wanted to size it to what you could charge in 8 hrs with a 40A 240V J1772, that would be in the 20 - 25 kwh range, which would send a LEAF 80 - 100 miles. Even at twice the driving requirement, that's 40 miles for the truck (and it might be less than twice). If you're aiming at fleets who may invest in something more powerful, provide more. I think you should offer 20 kwh base, with the ability to increase for optional additional packs (should be possible under the bed). All models should be capable of fast-charging.

Regardless of charge state, the engine would be needed with heavy loads / towing.
 
Kdawg :
Here’s GM’s plug-in truck.


(this isn’t real, and not my creation)
Excellent conversion of the Colorado to an EV version! Now, how much would it cost?

Raymond
 
You just can't beat having a pickup around the house for the absolute utility they provide. They don't have to be new and shiny to work either, two Chevy's have served me for almost 30 years. Their only problem is they are gas hogs. I wouldn't mind paying an additional $10 K or so for an extended range EV truck such as the ones produced by Via Motors.

I think GM already hasthebmajority if what they need with the Gen 2 Voltec RWD version and the LG battery and battery electronics. Couple the output of the Voltec to a standard transfer case for 4WD and I'm happy.
 
Jackson : As we discuss battery sizes, we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that a truck is bigger, heavier and less aerodynamic than the electrified vehicles we know. The battery that would carry a Bolt 200 miles won’t come close to that installed in even a modest pickup.

I'm a little confused (but that's normal). A Volt has an 18.4 KW battery and goes a little over 50 miles. Wouldn't roughly the same battery pack at say 20 KW range move a truck 20 or 25 miles vs. the 40 miles you figured?
 
Loboc : Exactly. Any hybrid or EV pickup needs to be better than an equivalent gas pickup.
The onboard power production for remote and emergency needs is the best feature for hybrid/BE trucks. That will help sell it.

Raymond
 
Jackson : As we discuss battery sizes, we shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that a truck is bigger, heavier and less aerodynamic than the electrified vehicles we know.

Check this out from 1988; GMC Centaur Concept. Would be interesting to see what they could do ~30 years later.

http://autosofinterest.com/2012/12/11/1988-gmc-centaur-concept/

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There's quite a few concept designs for more aerodynamic pickups.

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Toyota hybrid truck concept.
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This is just my fun guess for a PHEV truck:

20 KW battery pack. That should give maybe 20 miles of range give or take a few miles, and hopefully throw the overall mpge to between 30 and 40 mpge.

Cost:
+ $3000 Battery: [(20 KW) x ($150/KW)]
+ $2500 (for motor/wiring/controls/battery cooling/etc.)
+ $500 (for 10% profit)
Total: $6000 option

As a $6000 option, it competes closely with a diesel as an up-charge, and could sell in roughly the same numbers that RAM currently sells diesels in their half-ton trucks.
 
Larry4pyro : You just can’t beat having a pickup around the house for the absolute utility they provide. They don’t have to be new and shiny to work either, two Chevy’s have served me for almost 30 years. Their only problem is they are gas hogs.

The other problems are you need somewhere to keep it, you need to register/insure it, and you need to maintain it.

For the very few times I could have used a pickup, I've found other means (Volt hatch can hold more than you think). Worst case, there's a Home Depot by my house that rents trucks for $19/hr.
 
Since the GM bankruptcy, GM does not divulge any info on big projects until near completion. I bet GM will come out with a plug-in truck before Ford. In regards to Ford's aluminum truck, GM does not have to go that expensive route that Ford took. Ford had to change their tooling and GM does not. GM has an a patent on the existing tooling that can weld aluminum to metal w/o having to use rivets and whatever Ford has to use and are quietly using that method as we speak.

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/home.detail.html/content/Pages/news/us/en/2012/Sep/0924_welding.html
 
Schmeltz : I’m a little confused (but that’s normal). A Volt has an 18.4 KW battery and goes a little over 50 miles.
A peak at the VIA specs tells us their “23 kWh Li-ion battery pack delivers up to 40-mile, zero-emission battery range.”
Source:
http://www.viamotors.com/vehicles/electric-truck/

A 40 kWh pack should deliver at least Volt 2 like AER or more in a Silverado EV.

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Volt#671
 
joe ,

It does seem likely that they do. Consider the CT-6 plug-in powertrain installed in something like that Colorado we saw above. GM did get valuable on-the-road experience through VIA, perhaps there is some other intellectual property they would get from the purchase, if not anything more tangible.

 
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