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#1 · (Edited)
I just bought a 2017 from a used car dealership. It's our first hybrid of any type. The front tires are new but crappy. They are Westlake SA-07, super cheap. Not too bad on dry roads but very slippery on wet roads. Here in the Seattle area we drive on wet roads a LOT, and often the rain comes down faster than the water can drain off to the side of the roads. Sometimes some of the roads look almost like rivers. And we're in a wet season; I expect lots of wet road driving to continue until sometime in June. We've only had it a week, and my wife commutes with it while I drive it less often, and those awful Westlake tires have already slipped on me a couple of times.

So these tires are going to have to go. The rears are a better model, Road Control Touring A/S, but nothing special and at about half tread. I'll be replacing all four of course.

Normally when tire shopping I place top priority on wet road performance. I want tires that will hold the road even when it's masquerading as river, let us stop firmly, not hydroplane, and track straight through shallow ponds in the roads at 40mph.

I've had tires that do exactly that, but they're not low rolling resistance tires. I typically lose at least 1mpg compared to other tires, and I assume more than that compared to low rolling resistance tires. I wouldn't be interested in low rolling resistance tires if they signficantly compromized wet road performance, but I've read that today's low rolling resistance tires are substantially better at traction than was the case years ago. I'm not sure how much of the Volt's electric range I'd sacrifice going with the kind of tire I usually chose. If I can keep more electric range while still getting great wet road performance, I'd be interested in a low rolling resistance tire.

It's also nice to have a little bit of honest-to-god snow & ice capability so I'm not putting on the chains when the first snowflake falls, but it isn't critical. We don't get a lot of snow around here, but when we do the hills add to the fun. And the weather here has a habit of partly melting the snow during the day, then refreezing the roads overnight to silky-smooth skating rinks for the morning commute. Day after day after day.

So I went to Tire Rack and filtered on Grand Touring and Eco-Focus (aka low rolling resistance), and sorted by Consumer Highest Rated. After looking at the reviews, the candidates I think look interesting are:
-- (First, the top model listed is Michelin CrossClimate2, but I had those on another car and I thought they were really loud. Which would be all the more annoying on the comparatively silent Volt running on battery. I'm going to pass on them.)
-- Continental PureContact LS.
-- Yokohama Avid Ascend GT.

Removing the Eco-Focus filter, the Vredestein Quatrac Pro looks good. It also has the "Severe Snow Service" rating.

Any suggestions or comments? How much range would you expect to lose with the Vredestein Quatrac Pro compared to the other two?

UPDATE:

After doing more digging, it sounds like:
-- The first two have great wet road performance, and EV range similar to the (apparently otherwise crappy?) OEM tires. And:
-- The Yokohama Avid Ascend GT is on the loud side, while the Continental PureContact LS is much quieter.

I think I've made my choice. It's going to be the Continental PureContact LS. But I'd still be interested in hearing any comments or recommendations.
 
#4 ·
I've happily used Bridgestone Ecopia 422+ (must be the + version), and Perelli Centurato P7s in the past. Currently riding on Goodyear ElectricDrives and they're excellent in wet and icy conditions.
 
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#5 ·
I left EP422+ for Crossclimate 2's on my Gen 1 before this winter started. I haven't had the CC's in much wet conditions, as it's gone straight from snowing buckets to bone dry and back again here. The tread pattern is deep and aggressive, looks like it should do a good job of pushing water from the center to the outside of the tire, though I remember it's ratings on tire sites not being perfect on that. Snow handling has been very good, as it is a winter biased all season. Very composed going onto and off of smooth ice, frosted tarmac, etc. Firmer ride than EP422, definitely feel more of the pavement, but crisper handling as a positive side effect of that. Noise has been just fine, not that much louder. Efficiency has been good, too close to call any difference from the previous LRRs.
 
#6 ·
Pure Contact LS are great tires, especially in the wet. A large portion of my commute is mountain road driving, and nothing is worse than tires that don't grip in the wet. It's wet nearly year round, rain in the winter(a long winter at that), and fog in the mornings, so at the very least, morning drives are always wet.

Those tires are very predictable, last a long time, and I don't have to drop my speed in the wet at all, as they grip that good. Wet vs dry grip difference is negligible, unless driving very hard and at the limit the whole time, ie something 99.9% of drivers will never do. They also ride nice, and are amazingly quiet, even when nearly worn out.
 
#7 ·
I know you don’t get likely as much snow in Seattle as Green Bay but I’ll throw this out there. I’m running Nokian Encompass AW01 on my wife’s gen 1 and they have been absolutely fantastic in wet or ice or deep snow. They also have a 60k mileage rating I believe.

They are a less hardcore version of WR G4, and I believe they may be a Tire Rack and Discount Tire Direct exclusive.
 
#9 · (Edited)
GregL65,

The OEM tires on a second gen Volt are Michelin Energy Saver MFR part # 11674 91H 21 lbs. I replaced mine with Michelin Energy Saver MFR part # 16798 91H 20 lbs Different Thread Formula. I live in San Diego with very little rain and no snow in the 20 years I've lived here. They are loud, don't handle that great and suck in precipitation of any kind. They are the best LLR tire for a Chevy Volt based on research and my experience. I do not recommend them for use in any area that sees regular rain or god forbid snow! I'm glad other Volt owners have chimed in with what they have experienced in their climates. For me EV range/mileage is king but that should not be your first concern where you live. What good is great EV range when you are upside down in a ditch? For your situation IMO priority list in this order should be 1)Traction in precipitation, 2)comfort, 3)noise, 4)LLR then 5) treadwear. Light weight of tires/rims seems to be a major factor in mileage and or EV range.

Stephen
 
#11 ·
I've stuck with the Michelin Energy Savers, and I live in FL with very significant rain. I just replaced mine, and I got a bit over 70k miles out of the last set.
 
#26 ·
I have these tires still on our 2018 Volt and they are doing fine in Seattle rains. I also have them on our Dodge Van. A lot of people knock them, but I don't have a complaint.

On our 2013 Volt I switched to the first gen Continental Pure Contacts from the stock Goodyears. This was a nice improvement, especially for road noise. They were replaced at 37K with the second gen Pure Contacts which were a nice improvement.
 
#17 ·
+1 for the Michelin Cross Climate 2 - I recently changed them and the grip in the intense rain downpours we had last week was superb. Of note however, if I was in a dry region, I would have probably been able to get 65-70k from the OEM tires as reported above by OO, as the tires had 5-6/32 left on them, but had become death defyingly slippery in the least amount of snow we got this past winter.
 
#22 ·
I started with Michelin Energy Savers from the factory. Not very impressed - almost no traction. I like Michelin, so I switched to Premier. I liked the ride much better than the Energy Savers, and they lasted a lot of miles. Recently I needed to replace them again, and the Premier wasn't available in the right size. The tire guy recommended BF Goodrich Advantage Control. BF Goodrich is owned by Michelin, so I figured I'd give them a try. I can't believe how much better the Advantage Control is than the Premier! The ride is so much smoother, and quiet.

That said, I don't have a great feel for how well they perform in heavy rain. We did have some serious rain here in California this year, and traction seemed at least as good, if not better, than the Premier. Based on my experience so far, I give the Advantage Control a thumbs up.
 
#23 ·
I replaced my OEM tires at 50,000 with Goodyear Weatherready Assurance tires. Far better in rain and snow than the originals. Just turned over 90,000 and the tread depth is still very good, expecting to get at least 60,000 out of the set. There may be a slight hit in range but I'll take it for the better grip.
 
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#25 ·
I currently have a set of Nokian One tires on my Gen 1 Volt. It seems to be Nokian’s OEM budget offering for the US market. There’s much to like, it’s a fairly quiet tire, and has even improved the ride of the already soft Gen 1. It maintains good traction in rainy weather, and mild winter conditions. I have Nokian snow tires for deep winter snow. Blogger Out of Spec Kyle has had positive comments about these tires, but also mentioned that Ones have a more aggressive tread than most touring tires. Nokian’s spec sheet says it’s a LRR tire good for 80,000 miles. It’s a noticeably heavier tire than the OEM Goodyears, and I have noticed at least a 15% range penalty. This actually surprised me at first, because my Nokian snow tires have almost no range penalty. Considering the increased weight and more aggressive tread, maybe it makes sense. I’m guessing the Nokian One should be able to handle Seattle weather, and Nokian quality is among the best.
 
#29 ·
I went for the Yokohama Avids. I had PureContacts for years on my '16, and I was reasonably happy with them. Good range and decent grip. But they seem kind of fragile - there was always a slow air leak, and more frequent punctures than I'm used to. I've only had the Yokohamas for a few months on my '17, but so far I like them. No drop in range, maybe a little better road grip than the Continentals, and I don't notice them to be any louder than I'm used to. Too early to know how they do with treadwear, snow/ice, and road hazards.
 
#32 ·
I got Continental TrueContact Tour 54 tires and I have noticed reduced range. I couldn't find information about rolling resistance in order to do comparisons. I may have slipped up and gotten the TrueContact instead of the PureContact (which I was targeting mainly because of this forum) although, even now, I can't find any objective measure to compare mileage.
Anyway, now the range indicator for battery starts at about 47 but as soon as I'm out of the driveway it's down to 43 or so. I'm pretty disappointed! The tires drive nicely but if I had it to do over again I'd be more careful - maybe even I'd go with original Michelin's. Yes, they may not be the grippiest tires, but I'm a conservative driver anyway.