A little clarification.

http://greenmarketconsulting.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/electric-vehicles-in-the-mountains/
also
http://www.electriccitymotors.com/

The Current range is about 55 miles. They talk about the potential of converting a car to your specifications with up to 400 mile range.

The most power you can expect to get from a domestic 240vac outlet is 50A (dryers are typically 30A and stoves 40A). 30 minutes at 50A would be about 14kwh which is reasonable for a small car like the Current with 55 mile range. The Volt has a 16kwh battery and GM limits the charge/discharge to almost half to extend battery range and claim a 40 mile all electric range.

 

"And if all of this wasn’t enough, any vehicle can be upgraded to include a long range CNT-Battery that will take you up to 400 miles on a 5-10 minute charge!"

Sounds to good to be true. Again, I hope I am proven wrong.
I'm looking forward to Monday for EcoloCap's press release.

 

What everybody forgets"

The NiMH EV1 had an EPA certified range of 140 miles on a charge".

Why all the current talk about a 40 mile Volt or 100 mile Nissan Leaf.? Reportedly, SCE which still has a fleet of them, has gotten the Toyota RAV4 Electric up to 150 miles. And way back in 1997, the Solectria got 375 miles on the road on one charge. All of these were done with NiMH batteries which are still not being sold for electric cars. It is a national scandal.

 

The NiMH EV1 had an EPA certified range of 140 miles on a charge".

Why all the current talk about a 40 mile Volt or 100 mile Nissan Leaf.? Reportedly, SCE which still has a fleet of them, has gotten the Toyota RAV4 Electric up to 150 miles. And way back in 1997, the Solectria got 375 miles on the road on one charge. All of these were done with NiMH batteries which are still not being sold for electric cars. It is a national scandal.

It's not a scandal:

1) RAV4 EVs probably cost Toyota about $100,000 each.
2) There are patent issues with using NiMH (or there were).
3) NiMH are half as energy dense as lithium (huge and heavy).
4) NiMH lose their charge quickly (don't let them sit around).
5) BEVs without quick-charge and charging infrastructure are only toys.

Thus, it's not a scandal. It's simply EV technology is too expensive and the resulting product is less convenient than a standard car (and the cost of gas was really cheap a few years ago).

 

Texas, you have repeated every tired old, refuted argument. Go to http://www.ev1.org/ where you can find the details. The only problem is that GM sold the patent to Chevron (Texaco).

Go see "Who killed the Electric Car?" Learn at least some of the facts before sounding off. Electric cars are cheap to make and battery prices are coming down.

Because so many foreign countries and companies are involved today, there is no way that Big Oil and America's "Big Three" car companies can stop electric cars this time.

You should also read Eugene Black's "Internal Combustion". GM stopped the electric locomotive in this country but the rest of the world uses them.

 

there is no way that Big Oil and America's "Big Three" car companies can stop electric cars this time.

At least you got this part right. The thing is, they never could stop the electric car. Are there electric cars in Europe? Asia? South America? Africa?

Sorry, but liquid fossil fuels are just an amazing source of energy. It's the king of the hill and no EV has been able to knock them off.

So, no company could or will kill the EV... The consumer did and will.

If and when things change (EVs have more convenience with a cheaper cost) the transition will happen.

You can bet your ass that climate change is not going to be the reason. Nor will carbon legislation. Only when the cost of petroleum skyrockets due to depletion does the EV have a chance.

 

One thing remains, nimh has about 80% efficiency during recharge unlike lithium with nearly 100% (at overnight charging rates).

You want to save the planet dont you?

 

What will drive EV sales, if the price is comparable to ICE, will be the ease of maintenance and service, and the inherent reliability of the propulsion system. Of course this will not emerge on day one, and the old-line ICE makers will come up with some juicy horror stories to drive the consumers away from EVs.

But the handwriting is on the wall.

Serial EVs and in particular BEVs are coming, and they will come with a vengeance when the price inflexion point is reached. It will not happen in the first 2 years - but in 5 years, if I am still in the auto engine parts or service business, I will be toast.

I am willing to pay a good premium just to have the comfort to know that my vehicle will "start" tomorrow morning at -10 degrees C without a doubt, will not quit on the highway, will last me 10 years, will not chew up my brakes, will not need new batteries every 2 years, will not need mufflers, does not need oil and fuel filter changes every 5000 miles, and does not require $600 service every 15,000 miles.

And the resale value will be quite a bit higher as its the ICE engine mileage that makes a car depreciate fast.

 

... in 5 years, if I am still in the auto engine parts or service business, I will be toast

don't worry, there gonna be a lot of TOW service for EVs

 

usually lithium cells are aged for a few days after they are manufactured, then they are tested for voltage. There is also a break-in process before top performance is achieved.

 

Well, Ecolocap said their event went very well. However, no mention of third party verification or when their super batteries are going on sale.

I hope investors don't part with their cash before they get verification by a respected independent sources. There's a sucker born every minute...


"EcoloCap Solutions Inc. (OTCBB: ECOS) today announced that its successful Product Event Showcase, held in Seoul, South Korea, attracted numerous participants from around the world. Amongst the attendees were industry representatives from Canada, Germany, Iceland, India, Japan, Korea, United Arab Emirates, United Kingdom, and the United States.

The main event commenced on Wednesday November 18th when the group was taken to visit the manufacturing facilities of an EcoloCap subsidiary, K-MBT Inc. The participants were given an overview of the functionalities of the M-Fuel NPU machines as well as the CNT-Battery modules. They were then invited to inspect various models of the M-Fuel NPU's and were given a hands-on demonstration of the CNT-Batteries. The eventful and industrious day came to a close following a Company hosted banquet dinner at the hotel. "


http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0562135.htm

 

According to this evcast.com interview with Michael Siegel (President of Micro Bubble Tech in 2008, now CEO of EcoloCap) in 2008, compared with $25,000 price tag for Tesla's 53kwh battery pack, it costs only $3,000 for a 53kwh CNT battery pack! Less than $60/kwh! I am pretty sure the manufacturing cost for CNT batteries has come down a lot since 2008. Here is the interview link:
http://www.evcast.com/members/evcas...vcast/blog/VIEW/00000001/00000135/EVcast-119-Interview-with-Michael-Siegel.html

 

Most investors are waiting for more news from ECOS to announce multiple international distribution agreements, and to finish independent lab testing of CNT batteries by the end of January 2010.

So far, these are known to have tested or to test CNT batteries:
1. Next Alternative;
2. HALO Renewable Engergy;
3. Electric City Motors;
4. Some 3rd party battery testing facility in Colorado that the President of Electric City Motors knows of;
5. East Penn Manufacturing;
5. US military agency;
6. US Department of Energy;
7. Underwriter Laboratories (UL);
8. Some labs in the United States, South Korea and abroad;
9. Some golf cart manufacturers;
10. Some manufacturers who make UPS for mobile telecomm data ceters.

In the past, Micro Bubble Technologies made CNT battery samples by taking apart off-the-shelf lead acid batteries: they coated the electrodes with CNT; and pumped out the electrolyte, and then mixed it with some CNT additive and pumped it back in the batteries.

 

we'll see

I think anyone who's interested in investing in the latest battery tech is pretty jaded. Show me the independent test results verifying your battery can do what is says it can do. Then hold out your hand for investor dollars. I guess we'll know shortly.

 

I think anyone who's interested in investing in the latest battery tech is pretty jaded. Show me the independent test results verifying your battery can do what is says it can do. Then hold out your hand for investor dollars. I guess we'll know shortly.

This is the sound of reason. I hope all consider these wise words. Why not wait for the third party verification by a respected source? Heck, this is a trillion dollar (not just a billion dollar) industry. If what they say is true, even half of it, then getting in even a few years after this respected confirmation is more than enough time to make a fortune.

When we do finally get a practical energy storage technology it will be like a gold rush that will last for decades. We will all be able to breath a sigh of relief and get to work cleaning up the mess of the industrial age.

 

Axion Power that developed the lead carbon batteries that are comparable in performance to lithium ion batteries had independent tests conducted by NREL and Sandia Labs. The results were astounding.

But what has it gotten them?

Due to the current economic conditions, they lack investment money for production, and teethering on the brink of bankruptcy....

The independent tests, even if the results are confirmed to be true as claimed will never guarantee investment money. We're all just bunch of skeptics in this dire time, doing nothing with our money, just holding on to them.

 

I totally disagree with you, rhodomel: you are trying to compare a bike with a car. From what I learned about Axion Power's battery technology, its main advantage is longer cycle life (over 1,000 deep cycles), plus higher power density than lead acid battery, and plus lower cost than lithium battery; while its energy density is not any higher than even a lead acid battery - how can you compare it with a lithium battery?

CNT battery blows away Axion Power battery in every aspect:
1). Cost (<$9/kwh)
2). Energy density (>300kwh/kg, higher than lithium battery)
3). Power density
4). Cycle life (>2,000)
5). Calendar life (>10 years)
6). Optimal operating temperature range
7). Re-charge time (around 5 minutes)
8). Combustibility
9). Short-circuit-proof

 

hm

Do you know where a spec sheet is? I looked high and low and the numbers I was able to find weren't even close to lithium ion or even NiMH. More like an improved energy density Lead Acid with 4-5x the cycle life.

 

Ebike missed the point about investors. I would welcome verification of claims about cnt but still the same will not invest a dime until the company is in the black.

 

Well, before ECOS turns into so much black, it will probably be acquired by a big fish (like GE, etc) already. ECOS president Michael Siegel has bought and sold multiple businesses before. And I guess he intends to do it again soon.

 

Ecolocap Solutions Inc. Announces The First Shipments Of M-fuel And Npu Machines

Barrington, IL – December 2, 2009 – EcoloCap Solutions Inc. (OTCBB: ECOS), an innovator of alternative energy products,
today announced that it will begin shipping M-Fuel and NPU machines to existing and potential distributors in several
international markets. EcoloCap’s M-Fuel, an advanced suspension fuel, and the NPU, its sophisticated fuel processing
system, provide dramatically reduced emissions and extensive operating savings to industrial users of heavy oils.
The first deliveries of M-Fuel, which will be shipped in 5 gallon drums via air freight, are scheduled to arrive in Europe,
Asia, and the Middle East in the second half of the month. These product samples will be received by attendees of the
Product Event Showcase for preliminary use in their respective facilities and equipment. The Company will also be
distributing M-Fuel samples to various international regulatory authorities for regional certification of its use in certain
transportation applications.
A delivery schedule for EcoloCap’s M-Fuel NPU’s will also be set forth in late December. Included in the initial shipment
will be the Company’s largest unit, the NPU-60, capable of processing 60 metric tons of M-Fuel per 24 hour period. The
first machine will be delivered to the Company’s existing North American distributor and will be used for immediate and
continuous production of M-Fuel for local consumers.
Michael Siegel, President and CEO of EcoloCap Solutions Inc. stated: “This maiden shipment of M-Fuel and NPU’s marks
an exciting milestone for the Company. With the NPU’s now entering into full scale production, we anticipate receiving
and fulfilling numerous wholesale orders by the middle of next year.”
Further information on EcoloCap Solutions Inc. and its products can be found at, www.ecolocap.com. Requests to
receive company updates may be sent to Info@ecolocap.com.
About The Company: EcoloCap Solutions Inc. (OTCBB: ECOS) and its subsidiaries Micro Bubble Technologies Inc.
(“MBT”), K-MBT Inc., and EcoloCap Solutions Inc. Canada are an integrated and complementary network of
environmentally focused technology companies that utilize advanced nanotechnology to design, develop, manufacture
and sell cleaner alternative energy. Their portfolio of products and services include MBT’s Carbon Nano Tube Battery
(CNT-Battery), a rechargeable battery that surpasses the performance capabilities of any existing battery, MBT’s M-Fuel,
an innovative suspension fuel for non-gasoline applications that exceeds all conventional fuels’ costs and efficiencies,
and EcoloCap Solutions Inc. Canada’s comprehensive Carbon Credit Trading consultancy services. EcoloCap markets its
products worldwide, directly and through agreements with distributors. For additional information, please visit the
EcoloCap website, www.EcoloCap.com, or send an inquiry to Info@EcoloCap.com.
Company Contact Information:
EcoloCap Solutions Inc.
1250 South Grove Avenue, Suite 308
Barrington, Illinois 60010
Tel: (866) 479-7041
Fax: (847) 919-8440
Email: Info@EcoloCap.com
This press release may contain statements of a forward-looking nature regarding future events. These statements are only predictions and actual
events may differ materially. Please refer to documents that EcoloCap Solutions Inc. files from time to time with the Securities and Exchange
Commission for a discussion of certain factors that could cause actual results to differ materials from those contained in the forward-looking
statements.

 

Who cares about their M-fuel? What about their super batteries?

When can some independent organizations get some for testing?

When can we buy some or buy products that have the batteries installed?

There are EV makers everywhere ready to buy a great battery.

Is Ecolocrap going to deliver? I doubt it.

Dear Ecolocrap, you can look up MIT's phone number and address on the Internet. Please contact them, send them a prototype and get verification. Thank you.

Oh, did that really need to be said?

Unfortunately, they don't want MIT (or anyone else) getting involved because the scam would be killed.

 

Texas, are you still dreaming that EESTOR will succeed someday? Yes, maybe; but not in the next few years. I believe that EESTOR did make some functional components (probably with inconsistent capacitance) before, but I don't think EESTOR can mass-produce it at $100 to $150/kwh. It is just way too difficult to make the powders (maybe they have kinda figured this part out), sandwitch ultrathin layers together, hot-press them and solder them in one EESU that weights a few hundred pounds.

So you think only Americans can make great inventions? You probably heard this news regarding MIT improving materials so that they could recharge batteries in 15 seconds:
http://esciencenews.com/articles/20...ticles/2009/03/11/mit.battery.material.could.lead.rapid.recharging.many.devices

I believe this improvement was largely contributed by Professor Ceder's graduate student Byoungwoo Kang who is from South Korea. South Korea leads the world when it gets to coating nano tubes to batteries.

The biggest difference between EESU and CNT-battery lies in manufacturability and cost. CNT-battery is very easy to produce and cost less than $9/kwh, because Micro Bubble Technologies had figured out a way to mass-produce/synthesize nanotubes at a few pennies per gram instead of the prevailing market price of $38/gram; and their nanotubes don't appear in abnormal shapes or cluster together.

Use your common sense, please.

 

Both Toyota and Nissan have been using M-Fuel

This is according to EcoloCap's distributor Next Alternative:
http://www.next-alternative.com/product-nanomizer.html

"The New-Fuel (M-Fuel) process is being utilized in Japan by Toyota and Nissan for waste oil reclamation..."

 

Next Alternative’s December Newsletter

This is a repost of a message from poster "tfibflag":
http://messages.finance.yahoo.com/S..._to_Z)/Stocks_E/threadview?m=tm&bn=75206&tid=574&mid=587&tof=2&rt=2&frt=2&off=1

"Summary of Meeting in South Korea


Next Alternative Inc, went to Seoul Korea on November 15, 2009 for meetings and an open house on the17th and 18th of November. The purpose was to examine, test and evaluate production, manufacturing and overall performance of the products.

The overall results of the meetings were positive and batteries were shipped to Canada for further testing. We also agreed verbally to move the technology to North America.
We were pleased with the Emulsion Fuel technology and the fact it now can be used in any diesel application. It is expected we will have our machine in January.

Emulsion Fuel is the mixture of water with fuel and oils. Emulsion fuel can be a mixture of up to 30% water to fuel such as diesel.
The result is a cleaner fuel. The process to mix water and fuel requires nano technology and an additive which reduces the particles of both water and the fuel enabling them to burn. The process also removes other pollutants making the fuel extremely clean.
The process can take cheaper fuels and oils and convert them to a clean burning diesel which can be used in any diesel burning application.
Next Alternative Inc. has been reviewing this technology now for over a year and has purchased one M60 machine capable of producing 60,000 liters per day. We expect the machine to arrive in Canada, January 2010."

 

did we just change gears from CNT?

 

Yes. It's Ecolocrap's big marketing plan. They make silly claims about a fantasy CNT battery so that people will check out their company and pathetic website. They have idiots go around to the different forums and try to get in some free marketing time on their other equally ridiculous "green" or should I say vapor green products.

Ecolocrap is just another scam organization that is promising the moon but will only deliver negative returns for investors. Ecolocrap, you stink!