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If topic specificity (like John's) is to remain so microscopically fixated to minutiae, then the bigger pictures will always be kicking your arses, and you'll nener get anywhere. Ever.

If you can know whee obstacles are, then your creative wisdom can very easily work around them and totally defeat them.

Electrification, not being a "peachy" deal for oil interests as its adversaries, needs an informed support from everyone here. John might respect one technical fact at a time, but it is unnecessary to work him up to a false pearl casting contest.

Many who have contributed here for the last 8 or so years often have heard the same facts dozens of times and hope that there is interest beyond isolated facts alone.

To many, the bigger related picture also counts tremendously.
 
How about opting out of voting, since all the huge, hacker, in-your-face forced dowloads from keeping cookies enabled, and search history not cleared is where the disruptions have been happening all this time.
Hard system shut downs and constantly needing to clear cookies and search history is cumbersome, but effective.

Voting for such a wide range of motives really doesn't actually tell you anything valid anyway.
Plus, my students sometimes tell me that my content makes sense to them, but not always at first.

So voting in some cases is just a distraction if not undefinable initial bias to some extent.

I have to use different search engines to attempt to stay ahead of the hacking forced downloads.
 
A hatchback works great for me, a teensy trunk does not. I want more AER range not less. With the Ford at about the same price as the Volt, it's a no-brainer for me to choose a Volt. I'd have to be brain dead to buy a PiP. I'm astounded anyone buys them.

Yes, I too see no voting option, though I do see the votes. FireFox 31.0.
 
Guys if you figured out how to log in?

I would like to know.

I hope that this keeps the trolls out of bay for the better?

Also it would be great to start voting once again I'll have to agree with some of you as it gets boring and it doesn't feel the same when not voting on the site.

Also I do hope Ford brings out a PHEV SUV who knows maybe there will be a great car that will turn the general public on when it comes to driving electrically but let's hope it has more range then the Prius or about the same as the Volt if not 30 miles might do so but again 40 or more is the way to go!

Also if Ford is making a PHEV SUV I hope this will wake up GM to make that Chevy MPV5 or something similar to get a PHEV, EREV, or a BEV SUV into market only time will tell when the five alarm bell rings in front of there faces like if they drank too much hot sauce with steam coming out of there ears and flames coming out of there mouths like in a cartoon!

Note) I've never seen this classic cartoon before if you have let me know?

Here's yourself a five alarm bell cartoon!

Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XbjuBGR4jw

The Future Is Electric Not Hydrogen!
 
Sweet article Joe!

Momma Mia!

Way to go!

I haven't seen anything this ground breaking in several years I hope that GM will use this new battery technology in there new vehicles and as well to upgrade the Volt and Spark.

Also Jeff look at Jo's link that he provided on comment # 62 I think you should wright an article on this one with more detailed information and as well some photos of this new battery technology plus you also need to go to the University Of Michigan where these batteries are being made.

This could be GM's answer to becoming a Tesla fighter for the better!

The Future Is Electric Not Hydrogen!
 
I'm well aware that it's not in good form to use "you" when addressing a volatile topic; however, that is not the case at this particular time of transition... which we have arrived upon just recently.

Having friends who own Volt, Leaf, and Tesla plug-in vehicles, it is quite obvious to me that the few here who continue fighting against change are not at all representative of the majority. That's why taking the time to address them directly is worthwhile... even if it does stir the pot the wrong way. They will be helpful later with the effort to demonstrate viability to the mainstream.

Talking to ordinary consumers about hybrids, it's disheartening to hear how quickly they still dismiss them. The same old arguments about payback and replacement are sighted as their reasoning. It's quite sad, but understandable.

That's why the importance of having a good relationship with those who truly want to move the industry forward is being addressed now. The high-volume vehicles are what will end up swaying the masses. A vehicle like Prius PHV will contribute quite bit to the reputation of lithium batteries. Nothing elaborate is needed. It's just an option on a familiar platform.

The push to get GM to do the same has been a challenge. All along, there's been resistance to the idea of less being more, from Volt enthusiasts... those who feel more is necessary, even at the sacrifice of cost & space. Fortunately, more and more Volt supporters are helping change that turn by endorsing a "lite" model. They see the true opponent is non-hybrid sales.

Too bad for those few who still want to Volt to stand alone. The goal is to make the platform common, to replace the popular traditional vehicles. That means seeking out a balance, not trying to convince people to spend more for more than what they actually need. The second model will indeed dilute the spirit of the original, but that's called progress. It will still accomplish the ultimate purpose of reducing emissions & consumption.

We are now seeing attention getting drawn to Ford, as they attempt to compete directly with Prius, while also advancing their current hybrids. We see Toyota diversifying, investing in fuel-cell technology while at the same time improving their hybrid platform with a next-gen rollouts, while also experimenting with a dedicated plug-in.

There is no standing alone anymore. Change is happening and market offerings will become far from clear. Each will be somewhat different in operation. What they'll all share is reduced use of non-renewable fuels and reduced smog & carbon emissions.

Their adoption will be hypocritical & abrupt too, just like we saw with handheld devices. Remember the PDA years? Most people were clueless about their potential. Then suddenly, we see them everywhere in the form of smart-phones. That's because they changed to become extremely practical by being made to closely match ordinary consumer interest and were offered in a wide array of choices.
 
john1701a : those who truly want to move the industry forward

john1701a : A vehicle like Prius PHV will contribute quite bit to the reputation of lithium batteries.

LOL, it was Toyota who poo-poo'd Li-ion batteries. Then when everyone & their brother were using them in spite of Toyota's comments, we are now to turn to them to preach about lithium? I don't think so. I think they are doing more harm than good w/their HFC talk. This isn't what the industry needs. A distraction.
 
john1701a ,

Nope.. it was due to them not knowing what they were doing.

http://green.autoblog.com/2007/08/12/toyota-lithium-ion-not-ready-for-prime-time-at-least-not-ours/

And if it's still not affordable, why did they make the plug-ins that they did/do? Why the about face?

And since you used the A-word (it's similar to using the "mainstream" word), what's your definition of affordable batteries in $/kWh? There's a few hundred thousand plug-in owners that think their cars were affordable. And before you mention a tax credit, many of these ppl would still buy, regardless of the credit.
 
Like I said, there are a few who continue to fight against change.

Also, it's quite informative to see how the reference from 2007 was taken out of context like that... attempting to convince us the high-volume decision for early 2009 rollout was related to the limited-scope plug-in rollout years later.
 
john1701a : Like I said, there are a few who continue to fight against change.

You are the only one fighting progress. Your only purpose here is to dismiss all things Volt, and exalt all things Prius. This isn't helpful for the plug-in cause. Even Toyota saw the light and made a plug-in finally. One day they will get to the level the Volt is at (if they don't get too distracted w/hydrogen).
 
kdawg : Your only purpose here is to dismiss all things Volt, and exalt all things Prius

I had been pushing for a second model of Volt for years and now provide praise for the fact that GM will finally be delivering it. Yet, no matter how many times I mention that upcoming "lite" version of Volt and even point out favorable features of the current model, all you choose to hear is Prius. Wow!
 
john1701a ,

I look forward to the day, if a Volt-lite is actually produced, and it has better metrics in every category vs. the PiP, and yet you will still tell us how it is a failure and the PiP reigns. Same goes for when Toyota makes an PHEV w/a 38 mile AER.

The only time you have ever said anything favorable about the Volt, it was usually something trivial, and it was only to make your argument appear balanced, because the next statement from your keyboard is typically something bashing the Volt.
 
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