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#1 ·
Our Condo Association wants to put in a electric charging station that all condo users could use to charge their vehicles. Does anyone know of a commercial charger that would keep track of each users amount. I am thinking of a charger where the user would have a code or card to activate the charger and the charger would keep track of each users amount for the condo association and allow them to bill each user individuallly on a monthly basis. The charger could send this billing info automatically to a computer or have it read maually each month by the association. Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.
 
#2 · (Edited)
Two come to mind. The Blink chargers and associated network and Chargepoint (Coulomb chargers). Both are very expensive. But in order to use the charger, the person would swipe their network card, and they would be billed at whatever rate the condo wants to charge per hour (or kWh) for the use. You are looking at a solid 12-13k for an install with a dual head unit. There are also yearly maintenance fees that are very expensive. So, your Condo association will end up paying a ton of money just to measure and bill electricity. That extra money would likely power all the electric vehicles in your neighborhood for a few years.

My suggestion? Have them install a line of exterior 120V outlets with appropriate covers. they could end up installing 10-15 outlets for the cost of a single Chargepoint, then no one will be fighting for the plug. How do you determine the rate? There is not a good exact way to do this, without metering every plug, and having a lockbox that only one person can get into (reserving a space). I would state something like "The average driver travels about 14k a year. Assuming they charge 75% at home (reasonable assumption), that amounts to 10,500 miles a year. The Volt sticker is 35 kWh/100 miles. That means the average tenant is going to use 3,675 kWh per year to charge. Multiple that by the rate (maybe that is 12 cents?) and you get $441 a year. Divide by 12. You'll write them a check for $37 a month for the opportunity to charge.

It isnt exact. But even if they end up undercharging you a bit, or overcharging someone, it won't be much.

I am just now starting to get this philosophy through the administration at the university I work at. It has been a long battle, but they are finally seeing the light. If you want to discuss this in detail, I would be happy to speak with you on the phone. Just send me a PM with your number.

I am attaching an image from a forum member that works at BP. This is what you should be going for. Eventually there is going to be a lot more EVs in your area, you will be fighting for charging, and the condo is not going to spend 10k everytime someone has a new car. Best to adopt a scalable platform.

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#3 · (Edited)
The ones that do what you want are going to be VERY expensive. Chargepoint and Blink, among others, should be able to do what your want, but you'll pay an arm and a leg for it. Your condo association would be better off putting in a bunch of 110 outlets (or 240 outlets) in spots that are convenient for charging and let the owners supply their own EVSEs. It would also be easier to calculate an basic flat fee for charging than try to measure, though it you guys want to measure you can get meters to monitor usage at each outlet.

Just my opinion...

(CarZin beat me to it, I type slow. At least we agreed with each other :) )
 
#5 ·
Another option would be for the condo association to charge rent and assign these spots to the person with an electric vehicle that pays to rent those spots. The person's name/vehicle license plate number could be posted with a sign "This spot Reserved for XXXXX". Outlets could be locked (if you think that would be necessary) A utility grade KWH meter could be installed at each plug to determine electricity used. ($150)

http://www.amazon.com/Elster-Rex2-U.../dp/B008CPXZJS/ref=sr_1_5?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1346364820&sr=1-5&keywords=kwh+meter
 
#11 ·
Another option would be for the condo association to charge rent and assign these spots to the person with an electric vehicle that pays to rent those spots. The person's name/vehicle license plate number could be posted with a sign "This spot Reserved for XXXXX".[/url]
A slight modification to this idea -- The condo can sell parking tags (hung from the mirror) for a fixed cost and signage on the spots can say something like "reserved parking".
 
#8 ·
Thanks for the info. Yes, our association would not spend a lot of money for a charging station that everyone would not use. The separate boxes with some type of meter seems the way to go. Will research the cost of this option.
 
#12 ·
I am challenged by a hostile Association Board in a condominium with unassigned parking spaces in the General Common Elements. I also believe that installing 240-volt circuits with the hardware ports available at stores such as Home Depot ($650) is the cheapest, simplest way to go. In Colorado, every EV owner pays a surcharge of $50 to register a vehicle. That money goes into a fund to provide grants that pay 80% of the installation cost of charging ports. I also believe that the electrical charging facilities will become an advertised amenity, especially in a ski resort setting where I live. I am already paying the energy bills for services that I do not use, such as the hot tub, heated walkways, ski lockers, and ski waxing facilities. With all of the benefits of a transition to electric, renewable energy transportation, especially in helping to protect the snow-making climate, electric vehicle use should be encouraged.

Copper Mountain Resort recently installed a "free" ChargePoint station for visitors. I read that Winter Park has also joined the resorts offering free charging. However, I recently discovered that Aspen hid their charger port inside the pay parking ramp, so fees are collected. Similarly, to the best of my knowledge, Vail takes parking fees for their charging ports.
 
#13 ·
Wow old thread but still relevant.

We are talking pennies per kWH and a full charge is 12 kWH at 9cents off peak where we are.

I would think it would be ok to charge maybe $40 per month for people that use it. Or nothing and encourage others to use a PEV. Or have an advertising place at the station and charge whomever wants to advertise there for the cost (And more.) Or have it installed for pay for non residents and free for residents.

Best option is to get to know who the condo association leadership is. Maybe become part of the leadership yourself, many condo associations are run by owners and often times you are talking 30-40 people at most many times less people involved. And make whatever rule you want. Or go over to the association president's house friendly with a request for something and ask him or her to do it. It is better to go with the flow nicely and not try to push things that the key people don't want or don't understand. Maybe just ask to put in a 240 line yourself near your unit and tie into your own power.

Or just do it, install a charge station near your house (or unit) on your power and see if they want to stop you.
 
#15 ·
Just to set the orientation straight: sometimes condos have a thousand or more units that is true. More often a "Condo" is in a smaller organization with the goal of just keeping the outside uniform to maintain property values. Some look like a high rise building and some people own their apartment. Many times the property is separate from the "Building" and you would not know it is a "condo" Looks exactly like an ordinary neighborhood with no thought AT ALL about it being a condo.

So it is better to specify your situation. "Ten thousand unit with central government in another city, country or state, or 15 unit separate houses no-one would ever ever guess was a condo." That makes a difference.