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Dave G : Very true.


But I don’t need a family hauler.What I need is this:





or this:



There’s a million uses for a vehicle with lots of cargo space.Skiing with friends.Big dog.Rock band (guitar amps, drums, PA).Camping.Antique shopping.etc. etc.


Not having a larger vehicle sort of limits you.


I'm strongly considering buying one as interior work on a home we are building in Mexico starts in the Spring. People underestimate the utility these vehicles provide. Unlike a truck, all your materials are safely secured and the low step-in makes it easier to load / unload.

A payload capacity of 1,600 lbs is very competitive and makes moving things from CA to MX easy and they say it rides very well on long journeys.

When the work is done for the day, it returns to being a comfortable and luxurious vehicle.


In Europe, the MPV / Transporter term is used and manufacturers have strayed away from the minivan stigma.

Mercedes V-Class
 
As a family that regularly hauls four adults and two kids this is very interesting. My only bummer on these is that in the latest unlimited/lifetime extended warranty that MOPAR offers it says in the documentation specifically that Hybrids are excluded from the lifetime/unlimited mile option.

With this being Chryslers first at bat with a hybrid "plug-in" and battery I would have liked that as an option but I understand the reasoning. At the same time they also announced reducing the powertrain warranty from 5 year/100K miles to 5 year/60K miles recently on 2016 models and newer.

On a side note the second row seats are more comfortable than the regular edition since they are full captains chairs since they do not stow into the floor due to the battery being there, so there is more padding vs the standard van with second row stow and go. The second row in the Hybrid is removable, like most other brand minivans. The third row is the same across all versions.
 
Raymondjram : I saw it yesterday and downloaded a copy. I will buy a paper version from Helm, Incfor my collection. Now I want the real deal!


Raymond
80 kw of DC charging. Most poo pooed it as only 50 kw!
 
Gonzo :

On a side note the second row seats are more comfortable than the regular edition since they are full captains chairs
interesting!!
 
I downloaded the owners manual to look for a couple of requirements I have.

1. Traction devices: You can install tire chains.
2. Towing: 360 LBS tongue weight and 3,600 trailer weight. (with towing package)

So, with a cargo box on top I can take it to the mountain to go skiing, carry four bikes on a tray style bike rack, or tow a small trailer.

I am having a hard time finding anything not to like about this vehicle.
 
Michael VanZanten :
I downloaded the owners manual to look for a couple of requirements I have.


1.Traction devices:You can install tire chains.
2.Towing:360 LBS tongue weight and 3,600 trailer weight. (with towing package)


So, with a cargo box on top I can take it to the mountain to go skiing, carry four bikes on a tray style bike rack, or tow a small trailer.


I am having a hard time finding anything not to like about this vehicle.
Triple check this. Everything I have read and listened to says there is "NO" towing for the hybrid. I would love for it to have some towing, but I did not think it did.
 
I've been holding out for years for a plug in truck to replace my 13 year old Silverado 4x4. This Pacifica is the best thing to come along as a replacement. The loads I carry are not dirty stuff like sand or gravel, I use my neighbors truck for that. I'm a woodworker so most of the stuff I carry is pretty clean. It looks to me that the Pacifica may work. No problem carrying sheets of plywood but I'm wondering if the roof rack is capable of carrying lumber up to 12' long.

With the prices of trucks skyrocketing I could get a pretty well optioned Pacifica for considerably less than a simularly optioned full sized truck, and the Pacifica is a plugin. I'm really tempted.

BTW, I read somewhere that the power train is derived from the Two Mode Hybrid joint effort between BMW, Chrysler and GM.
 
Can we assume this uses ~13kW of the battery? Maybe a 1.5kW buffer on the top and bottom.

This is based on the stated 2 hour charge time at 6.6kW charger.

This also puts works out to ~2.5 miles per kWh for this vehicle which seems reasonable.

Side note: Wish the Volt would give us 6.6 kW charging. 😎
 
GSP ,

The Pacifica is also a pretty good gauge of what a Volt-sized Voltec-equipped Equinox would do. Odds are that GM has them in test already. Pacifica success may be the nudge needed to get the program launched. 2017 is going to be a watershed year for plug-in's.
 
larry4pyro :


BTW, I read somewhere that the power train is derived from the Two Mode Hybrid joint effort between BMW, Chrysler and GM.
That may have been me. Purely speculation on my part but Chrysler was involved in the original 2 mode project.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Hybrid_Cooperation
 
Spent a lot of money to get teenagers out of Volt rear seating. This van could have done it cheaper, and replaced the "third utility" vehicle that is part of our car chi. I think FCA is about to capture a pretty big conquest factor, in its sales.
 
MnVikes :
Can we assume this uses ~13kW of the battery? Maybe a 1.5kW buffer on the top and bottom.


This is based on the stated 2 hour charge time at 6.6kW charger.


This also puts works out to ~2.5 miles per kWh for this vehicle which seems reasonable.


Side note: Wish the Volt would give us 6.6 kW charging. 😎

Based on the MPGe rating of 84, it gets an EPA-estimated 2.5 miles/kWh of juice (that's 84 miles/gallon equivalent divided by 33.6 kWh/gallon = 2.5 miles/kWh). With a range of 33 miles per charge, it has access to roughly 13.2 kWh of battery capacity. And with a 16 kWh battery, Chrysler is providing a 17.5% buffer split some way between top and bottom of the charge. Quite a bit more aggressive than the Gen 1 Volt's 35% buffer, but not too much beyond the Gen 2 Volt's ~25% buffer. I suppose they've benefited from GM's experience with battery longevity in the Gen 1 Volts (reportedly zero Volts have had battery replacement under warranty due to loss of capacity).

Anyway, overall this is an extremely attractive package, and I'm looking to replace my wife's '09 Town and Country with one of these. It'll complement our 2015 Volt just fine:)
 
Josef Call ,

Thanks. Didn't know the battery discharge window. A 200 mile EV can still need a daily 90% charge, for people with 50 mile commutes and errands in cold weather. Going instead with a PHEV buffer of 17.5% is another aspect of battery longevity that an engine can bring.

And, no, those Pacifica miles won't all be electric, but if you do things as simple as holiday shopping and find the common destination charging rate, of 6.6kw, you could come pretty darn close to ~60+ electric miles per day.

Some of us can reminisce over our old "Voltstats Achievements", myself having bagged over 100+ Volt miles in a single day, on a couple occassions. At a 6.6kw charge rate, and with more L2 chargers, people will be doing this with the Pacifica by happenstance.
 
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