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I don't see the recalls as a problem, I see the dealer as the problem.
The fire was very likely caused by either gasoline or oil dripping on a hot ICE manifold. I suspect it could have been the result of all the dealer dicking around.
Regarding 5 bent wheels? The wheels are not made from aluminum foil. I'd suspect potholes.
The fire was very likely caused by either gasoline or oil dripping on a hot ICE manifold. I suspect it could have been the result of all the dealer dicking around.
Regarding 5 bent wheels? The wheels are not made from aluminum foil. I'd suspect potholes.
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It's in kind with b*tch threads we see here. Granted he probably got a lemon and that does happen. I'm a bit surprised he's spending money to put it on its own web site.
The fires would bother me a little if I had a gen 2. Not that they're any more common than any other car model.
The fires would bother me a little if I had a gen 2. Not that they're any more common than any other car model.
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I raelly like my 2011 with 96k miles on it as well. Maintenance costs so far total ~$500. What an awful car, lol.
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Wait, am I missing something? This is the first post in this thread on my site. How did this thread begin???
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Did you not see post #1? No mystery, Mr. Dave posted it. That's how it began.
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I can quote it if that helps.
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The only thing that proves is that anyone can make a website. One Chevy Volt catches on fire and he hears from one other person who claims to have had a fire and suddenly the Chevy Volt sucks. No, the only thing we can discern is that his Chevy Volt sucks. Like already mentioned, there are lemons in every model. I don't see the forums lighting up with "my Volt spontaneously combusted" followed by the bandwagon effect of "me too", "and me".
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What a drama queen. I guess some guys really want their 15 minutes of fame. The guy claims to be an ASE certified wrench... as such, he certainly should realize that... sometimes cars break. If they didn't, no one would need his trade and he would have to find another line of work. He also needs to hire an editor that can write.
I've spent a fair amount of time over the years (ok, too much time) poking around on other car forums. I have learned that every single manufacturer has lemons. Yes, even Honda and Toyota.
I'm sure the dude has it insured. He should just collect the insurance and move on.
I've spent a fair amount of time over the years (ok, too much time) poking around on other car forums. I have learned that every single manufacturer has lemons. Yes, even Honda and Toyota.
I'm sure the dude has it insured. He should just collect the insurance and move on.
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On top of that they'd have to be really out of round as I had an out of round rim on my Cruze and Discount Tire was able to balance it properly anyway.
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Okay to be fair....
Just kidding, no need to be fair. If this guy just reported the facts, showed some receipts and other verifiable info, then I might be willing to review his claims and wonder what is going on.
Instead you get a seriously juvenile-throwing-a-temper-tantrum webpage that loses any credibility right at the header with the middle finger icon.
I get that the guy might have a gripe, and might just really need to vent. But there is absolutely nothing constructive or helpful about that page.
Just kidding, no need to be fair. If this guy just reported the facts, showed some receipts and other verifiable info, then I might be willing to review his claims and wonder what is going on.
Instead you get a seriously juvenile-throwing-a-temper-tantrum webpage that loses any credibility right at the header with the middle finger icon.
I get that the guy might have a gripe, and might just really need to vent. But there is absolutely nothing constructive or helpful about that page.
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Gen 2 Volt sales appear to be around 35,000 based on these figures:
http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/volt/chevrolet-volt-sales-numbers/
So if we know about two fires, that's 2 of 35,000 or about six one thousandths of a percent. Apparently the latest metric is to estimate how many cars will catch fire per billion miles driven:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html
Elon Musk quoted 4 to 5 Teslas catch fire every billion miles compared to 55 per billion for ICE cars. Since the Volt is a hybrid, you would expect the number of Volts catching fire per billion miles to be somewhere in the 4 to 55 car fires per billion miles range.
So if we take the 35,000 gen 2 sales and make an estimate that the average mileage for any given gen 2 Volt is around 10,000 miles (seems reasonable... may be on the low side), then gen 2 Volts have travelled a collective 350 million miles. So two gen 2 Volts catching fire in 350 million miles equates to about 6 car fires per billion miles travelled for the Volt.
Seems well within the expected risk in the car industry. In fact, it's on the low side. So even if the number is 4x that "what we know" figure of two and instead, eight Volts have caught fire, that's still only 23 car fires per billion miles travelled: roughly half the average of 55 per billion for ICE vehicles.
I think I've heard about people having a bad experience with one particular thing in a group, and then generalized to say that the whole group sucks. Hmm. Can't think of the word for it right now.
In any case, one guy having a fire and finding an anectodal second person who has had a fire in a gen 2 certainly doesn't warrant a web page. Wouldn't really surprise me if GM sued him for defamation either.
And no... I'm not ignoring all the other problems he had: I'm just focusing on the fire because that seems to be the focus of the page (safety). Like someone else said, that multitude of problems is likely partly caused by a bad dealer.
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http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/chevrolet/volt/chevrolet-volt-sales-numbers/
So if we know about two fires, that's 2 of 35,000 or about six one thousandths of a percent. Apparently the latest metric is to estimate how many cars will catch fire per billion miles driven:
http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/17/news/companies/electric-car-fire-risk/index.html
Elon Musk quoted 4 to 5 Teslas catch fire every billion miles compared to 55 per billion for ICE cars. Since the Volt is a hybrid, you would expect the number of Volts catching fire per billion miles to be somewhere in the 4 to 55 car fires per billion miles range.
So if we take the 35,000 gen 2 sales and make an estimate that the average mileage for any given gen 2 Volt is around 10,000 miles (seems reasonable... may be on the low side), then gen 2 Volts have travelled a collective 350 million miles. So two gen 2 Volts catching fire in 350 million miles equates to about 6 car fires per billion miles travelled for the Volt.
Seems well within the expected risk in the car industry. In fact, it's on the low side. So even if the number is 4x that "what we know" figure of two and instead, eight Volts have caught fire, that's still only 23 car fires per billion miles travelled: roughly half the average of 55 per billion for ICE vehicles.
I think I've heard about people having a bad experience with one particular thing in a group, and then generalized to say that the whole group sucks. Hmm. Can't think of the word for it right now.
In any case, one guy having a fire and finding an anectodal second person who has had a fire in a gen 2 certainly doesn't warrant a web page. Wouldn't really surprise me if GM sued him for defamation either.
And no... I'm not ignoring all the other problems he had: I'm just focusing on the fire because that seems to be the focus of the page (safety). Like someone else said, that multitude of problems is likely partly caused by a bad dealer.
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At the end of the CNN Money article is a really good point - we've had 130 years to make gasoline/diesel cars safer from fire and that EVs are just at the start of that learning curve. Given this and the already documented lower risk of EV fires we'll see car fires go from "newsworthy if it stops traffic" to "always newsworthy" simply because of their rarity.
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