[bjrosen]

Wireless charging is coming, here is a link to an article in today's Boston Globe.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/busines...ar-chargers/Bytynu7vyu8iINkjos6YQO/story.html

I'd consider getting that option in a future car.

 

[eDreamin']

Could this be why Plugless canceled their Gen 2 charger?

And, can anyone explain this to me?
"Susan Beardslee, senior analyst at ABI Research in Scottsdale, Ariz., said that homeowners must pay about $750 to install a plug-in car charger. She said that putting in a wireless charging pad should be simpler and cheaper. “It’s probably at a better price point because you don’t need to do all the installation,” Beardslee said."
How is wireless installation simpler and cheaper?

 

[Raymondjram]

There are posts and articles covering wireless chargers. One of them, Plugless, is a site sponsor.

 

[Dark_Stang]

That senior analyst has no idea what they're talking about. And the reporter also doesn't know. I imagine the wireless pad and receiver will add at least $2-3k. And you're still going to have to wire it up for 220.

Another gem

“You’re not going to have autonomous cars that have to go to a gas station,” Beardslee said, because there’ll often be nobody on board to pump the fuel.

They've obviously never been to New Jersey. Or thought about just having a person to pump the fuel in at the station.
Or realized that we already have autonomous cars that burn fuel.

 

[calebh2002]

All find and well, if they can provide faster than 3.3kwh charging. If plugless could have assured me that their system would have been forward compatable with faster charging for future vehicles, I would have invested in one of their systems.

 

[bjrosen]

That senior analyst has no idea what they're talking about. And the reporter also doesn't know. I imagine the wireless pad and receiver will add at least $2-3k. And you're still going to have to wire it up for 220.

Another gem

They've obviously never been to New Jersey. Or thought about just having a person to pump the fuel in at the station.
Or realized that we already have autonomous cars that burn fuel.

You're cost estimate is probably optimistic. My guess is that the wireless option on the car will be a couple of K and the charging pad installation will be similarly priced so it will be a while before it's standard. Never the less I think the convenience of wireless charging would be worth $5K to me, I suspect that the majority of people will wait until it's cheaper than that.

 

[eDreamin']

You are both right, sort of-- https://www.pluglesspower.com/shop/
Cost of wiring a 220v line is additional.

And, I agree with calebh2002; if the Plugless charger would have been reusable at faster speeds, I would have been very tempted to put down a deposit for my Gen 2.

 

[calebh2002]

I fully support and encourage wireless charging. I have added cases to my both my personal and corporate iPhones, as well as my iPad. I love being able to just drop my devices onto the charging pad and have them start charging. I would love to have this in my garage, as the side that I park on is a tight fit for my volt, I am constantly worried that my better half will walk past my car to get to the storage room and break my charge port, as you have to literally side step and suck it in to get past the mirror and charge port.

I wish that we could swap sides of the garage that we park on, as his Jeep fits the small side much better than my car, but unfortunately its a pain in the rear for him to back out of my side, due to the privacy fence. You have to back out in a direct line, you cannot turn the wheel at all, which is something that he cannot manage. The front fenders of his jeep have a few dings from backing out of the garage already, I would hate to add a dent to the back end of the Jeep and a busted privacy fence.

 

[peevee]

hopefully it works better than plugless, mine is garbage.

 

[Henry_FL]

A solution looking for a problem.

Cord is simple, low cost, isn't picky to where you park it.

 

[mike100]

Just one more transformer to lose energy on. People already complain about losses in the evse and onboard charger of roughly 15%.

 

[Dark_Stang]

Just one more transformer to lose energy on. People already complain about losses in the evse and onboard charger of roughly 15%.

The old V1 wireless charget (Magne Charge) was supposedly 86% efficient. So We're already close.

 

[Henry_FL]

The old V1 wireless charget (Magne Charge) was supposedly 86% efficient. So We're already close.

The current EVSE has almost no loss, maybe a percent or two, its just a relay and wire. the 85% is including the onboard charger efficiency. to add a wireless charging would lower that now to 73% (.85*.86 ).

 

[voltowner]

I have the Plugless system and love it! No more forgetting to plug or un-plug when I am in a rush. If the increase in my electric bill for going of leash is about 10% that would be about $2. The bill for that meter is still in the $21 a month range for over 1,000 miles a month.

would not want to go back,

Roy Volt #1019

 

[bluzer1]

Just one more transformer to lose energy on. People already complain about losses in the evse and onboard charger of roughly 15%.

I have to agree.

I don't consider myself anywhere close to being as green as some folks, but when you consider all the engineering for every last % of efficiency, this is insane.

At 98-97% efficient it would be a different story, but at ~85% it's like throwing away the energy to charge 1 car out of 7!

 

[Raymondjram]

I fully support and encourage wireless charging. I have added cases to my both my personal and corporate iPhones, as well as my iPad. I love being able to just drop my devices onto the charging pad and have them start charging. I would love to have this in my garage, as the side that I park on is a tight fit for my volt, I am constantly worried that my better half will walk past my car to get to the storage room and break my charge port, as you have to literally side step and suck it in to get past the mirror and charge port.

I wish that we could swap sides of the garage that we park on, as his Jeep fits the small side much better than my car, but unfortunately its a pain in the rear for him to back out of my side, due to the privacy fence. You have to back out in a direct line, you cannot turn the wheel at all, which is something that he cannot manage. The front fenders of his jeep have a few dings from backing out of the garage already, I would hate to add a dent to the back end of the Jeep and a busted privacy fence.

Tell him to back into the parking, so the Jeep faces out when leaving. I learned how to back park in 1975, and I taught my wife how to back into parking spaces. She back parks our Chevy Equinox perfectly, and that CUV is much bigger than any Jeep. Now even my neighbors saw how efficient the back parking method is, and does the same. I see only the lazy who doesn't plan the parking, and go to a lot of trouble getting out backwards into a busy street.

My EVSE (see my signature below) is 25 feet long, so if I had a Volt or Bolt EV, the plug will reach the charge port even when back parked.

 

[Raymondjram]

Just one more transformer to lose energy on. People already complain about losses in the evse and onboard charger of roughly 15%.

The losses may be at the contacts, so keep all metallic contacts clean. BTW, would you prefer to go through the trouble of direct wiring your EV every time you charge just to reduce losses? I don't think so!

 

[Raymondjram]

A solution looking for a problem.

Cord is simple, low cost, isn't picky to where you park it.

Wireless charging smartphones also incur losses, but many owners will swear by it and don't care about losses. Besides, there are many who still fear anything with electricity, or forget to plug in overnight. One such person is my sister. If she had an EV, she will prefer to pay extra for wireless charging, so she will just park and let the system charge the EV for her.

 

[Raymondjram]

I have to agree.

I don't consider myself anywhere close to being as green as some folks, but when you consider all the engineering for every last % of efficiency, this is insane.

At 98-97% efficient it would be a different story, but at ~85% it's like throwing away the energy to charge 1 car out of 7!

Do you own seven EVs?

 

[Whatstreet]

Just one more transformer to lose energy on. People already complain about losses in the evse and onboard charger of roughly 15%.

Going forward, soon all chargers will be at least 7.7kWh so another 15% loss would be another 1kWh wasted per car. As these things proliferate we could easily be wasting Mega Watts on fleets of wirelessly charging cars.