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or similar plug-in hybrid?

I have a 97 BMW Z3 that I have owned since 2000, and I just passed 230k miles :) The car is awesome, and if it werent for fuel efficiency issues, I'd buy another BMW in a heartbeat.

However, at more than 200,000 miles, maintenance is starting to be a pain. I end up getting an oil change about 2 times a year (every 10,000 miles), and I usually end up writing a check for another 300-400 everytime for sundry items. The top now needs replacing, and that is going to set me back 1k if I do it myself. I long ago abandoned the idea of fixing the ABS/traction control system that has been defunct since about 180k.

It is really tempting to buy a new car, but I know starting next year there are going to be some exciting new options. Others out there having similar problems?
 

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Not me. My car's only got 26k on it. Plenty of life.
 

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I don't quite understand your logic, a car payment will be around $300-$350 a month. So, if it costs you $400.00 every six months that is about $66.00 a month. Even if over the coarse of one year it cost you $1800.00 then you still are only at $150.00 a month.
 

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I don't quite understand your logic, a car payment will be around $300-$350 a month. So, if it costs you $400.00 every six months that is about $66.00 a month. Even if over the coarse of one year it cost you $1800.00 then you still are only at $150.00 a month.
C'mon, Leet, don't go and spoil CarZin's perfectly good rationalization that supports his getting a new car. ;)

I have been in a similar situation - for me, it was the dependability issue - and the costs were not scheduled. No maintenance required for one month, $800 the next month, and so on. It may average out, but it was still a pain to deal with.

We all have our individual thresholds - and rationalizations! :)
 

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not for the volt

I run all of my cars until they no longer have a leg to stand on. While I'm not poor I'm not rich either and minimizing the expense of transport goes a long way towards maximizing the amount of money I can save and put towards things that are important to me.
 

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Since I generally believe death is right around the corner for those who least expect it, I trade cars quite often. I could give two hoots about the pile of iron I'm driving right now, once the Volt is generally available I'll figure a way to get one.
 

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I usually change my cars when they are 5 years old with 150k kms or more on the counter.
But not this time one of the car has currently 147k km, and the other one 125k km, but I think the will beat the records.

I will not buy a new car until I may buy an EV (except if one is destroyed in an accident).

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JC NPNS
 

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I've got over 184,000 miles on my 1995 Escort as of today. I would have bought a new car long ago if somebody made a comparable car, but they don't (they only thing that comes close are cars that are gas guzzlers).
 

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I have a '98 Ford Explorer with 115K on it. Its in very good shape though. My problem with waiting is actually finding a volt. I might have to take a road trip from Phoenix to San Francisco or something, lol. Although it would cost a ton more in registration fees to do that. The other thing I worry about is dealers hiking up the prices. When I was looking for a Prius a dealer here in the Phoenix area told me they slap $5K above MSRP and then sell them.
 

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My plan, drive my '98 Honda Accord, currently with 175,000 miles, until I finish grad school in 2015, then once I get a high paying job, buy a 2nd Gen Volt as a graduation present to myself! Buy a house, reroof with solar shingles, put up wind turbines, whatever I can do to be electricity and fuel independent. I might try to mod with some after market SOTS with thin film or something and feed the juice directly into the battery if it's not available as a factory option. I will also definitely check into a plug-in Prius and weigh the options in view of circumstances like my commuting distance, fuel prices, vehicle prices, maintenance costs, depreciation, etc.

Maybe buy a small BEV like a Ford Focus EV or something that doesn't look like a cat fish as a little brother for short errands if the price is right.

I pretty much want to make it a hobby to be as independent as possible until I feel like a world oil production peak isn't going to doom us all.
 

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I don't quite understand your logic, a car payment will be around $300-$350 a month. So, if it costs you $400.00 every six months that is about $66.00 a month. Even if over the coarse of one year it cost you $1800.00 then you still are only at $150.00 a month.
I didnt mention that I have towed the car 2 times in this past year (this car is no stranger to towing), recently had it decide not to start in an area with no mechanics to decide to magically work again after getting towed (my mechanic could find nothing wrong), and even after I get another $400 of work done next Monday, I still have $1600 of maintenance outstanding ($2400 if I pay someone to install my new top). Staying ontop of maintenance on this car is beginning to be quite a chore.

with all this said, its a car with 230k miles. I expect lots of maintenance. I love the car. Its just time to retire it as my primary 60 miles a day to work commute.
 

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80K miles in 8 years on my 2002 Infiniti I35. Love the car, but Infiniti recent models do not really interest me. Fully invested in the "No Plug, No Sale" pledge. Probably can wait another two years and get the 2012 model Volt (but will look around then and may the best EV or E-REV win).
 

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I didnt mention that I have towed the car 2 times in this past year (this car is no stranger to towing), recently had it decide not to start in an area with no mechanics to decide to magically work again after getting towed (my mechanic could find nothing wrong), and even after I get another $400 of work done next Monday, I still have $1600 of maintenance outstanding ($2400 if I pay someone to install my new top). Staying ontop of maintenance on this car is beginning to be quite a chore.

with all this said, its a car with 230k miles. I expect lots of maintenance. I love the car. Its just time to retire it as my primary 60 miles a day to work commute.
Sounds like you've got a convertible. I recently sold my '94 Audi Cabriolet. German engineering and cost of maintenance + convertible problematicness + high miles = empty bank account.

I paid enough in maintenance on that thing in the 3 years I owned it to have been easily driving something brand new. I paid about $250/month in maintenance and depreciation and I was lucky I didn't have more major problems.
 

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I am. I'm looking to trade in my 2006 Honda Civic EX 4 door on a new Volt. My Civic is a great car, it's in perfect condition and it only has 35K miles on it. It also gets decent gas mileage, 39-40 MPG on the highway. However I'm tired of sending my money overseas on imported oil. I want my money to stay in country where it will have a mulitiplier effect on the economy. I want a PHEV so I can use domestic electricity as a substitute fuel for 70% of my driving, without scarificing my quality of life. I want a Volt. :cool:
 

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I am. I'm looking to trade in my 2006 Honda Civic EX 4 door on a new Volt. My Civic is a great car, it's in perfect condition and it only has 35K miles on it. It also gets decent gas mileage, 39-40 MPG on the highway. However I'm tired of sending my money overseas on imported oil. I want my money to stay in country where it will have a mulitiplier effect on the economy. I want a PHEV so I can use domestic electricity as a substitute fuel for 70% of my driving, without scarificing my quality of life. I want a Volt. :cool:
This is a smart man. I am hoping that once there are actual alternatives to fossil fueled cars in showrooms, that there will be propaganda by electric auto makers on what buying domestic fuel can do for America's economy. The DOE has done a nice job by jump starting the electric vehicle situation for relatively peanuts ($1.8 billion is like a sneeze compared to what we are dumping on the banking system).
 

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2 years passes quickly

I've had my 2006 Mazda 6 station wagon since April 2005, and it currently has 165,000 km on it. Apart from several brake rotors and 2 new tires/rims (bad potholes), it has been trouble-free. Compared to the Subaru Impreza and Legacy that I had before, it costs about half in maintenance. The fuel economy is adequate - on long highway drives it gives me 800 km on a tank, which is about 7.8 l/100km. I change the oil every 10,000 km. The engine still sounds and feels as it has all along.

I see no evidence that it won't last another 100,000 km, or 2-3 years. As I found out Friday, the Volt won't be sold in Canada for another two years anyway. Allowing 6-12 months for the demand to settle down a bit, this should work out perfectly for me.

Quality-wise, I have no issues with cars made in North America - the Legacy was made in Indiana, the Mazda was made in Michigan. I would say that they both are equivalent to the Impreza (Japan), GTI (Mexico) and Rabbit (Germany) that I had previously. I'm actually looking forward to owning a GM, as the Volt is the first one that's excited me in a long time.
 

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My '01 C320 Mercedes has 165K miles on it and I'm planning on keeping it until a EV that I like is available. I'm guessing another 2 years. I don't drive enough anymore (4kmiles/year) to worry about gasoline cost but I'm big on not feeding the oil cartel and helping our environment. Besides, for the around town type of driving I do now all electric will be a far superior driving experience IMHO. I don't read much on this forum about the electric driving experience and that surprises me because it's one thing that is a big buying factor for cars. I think the average EV will outperform or equal most ICE cars in acceleration, smooth power delivery, and noise.
 
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