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Going to fight with the DOL over the extra $150 annual registration fee.

- not disclosed at time of purchase or at time of 1st registration

- they sent me a registration letter that did not include the fee, then refused to accept my check for the amount specified

- the Volt is a hybrid and does not belong in the same class as all-electrics like the Tesla and Leaf

- they should create a second class for hybrids and charge an intermediate fee

- possible class action suit?
 

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Ask them about Ford Fusion Hybrid and Prius Plug-in Hybrid... Get those owners in the class action lawsuit too!
 

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States have been discussing taxing hybrids extra due to their low fuel consumption for more than a decade now.

But since hybrids often cost several thousand more than similar ICE cars, they often pay more money into the coffers than gas cars do including gasoline taxes.

And if annual registration taxes are value based, hybrids are already paying more each year already.

It's the curse of democracy. There are few hybrids, so you have no political pull. You don't have unions or big oil on your side, so the politicians have zero responsibility to help you since you aren't campaign donors.
 

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Fortunately in Georgia it is purely voluntary for the Volt to pay an EV tax. We have one; I think it is two hundred per year; that not only comes with its own tax you get to pay an extra thirty five bucks a year for the special license plate
 

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Maybe all the electric car owners in Washington will start registering their cars down in Oregon again, like days past, when Washington had exorbitant vehicle registration fees ... no wait, with Sound Transit, we have those again too!
 

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In NJ, you don't pay any sales tax on BEVs or FCVs, but you pay full sales tax on any plug-in with an ICE and with 0 incentives. Tax them, not me.
 

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Fortunately in Georgia it is purely voluntary for the Volt to pay an EV tax. We have one; I think it is two hundred per year; that not only comes with its own tax you get to pay an extra thirty five bucks a year for the special license plate
I would have loved to been a fly on the wall that day:

Bill - "I think those of us who support Green Vehicles need to also make up for the fuel taxes we don't contribute!"

Paula - "Whatever floats your boat. All in favor of our friend Bill paying more taxes, raise your hands. Motion passed. Bill, pay the Sergeant at Arms."

Average price increase for EV over ICE equivalent, $9000. Normally sales taxes come before incentives, so the $9k is correct. Amount of Georgia sales tax on that extra $9000? $630. At $0.31/gallon tax, that's 2,032 gallons of road tax. Assuming 26 mpg fleet average, that's 53,000 miles or about 5 years of average EV use.

Now, if there is value based registration taxes in Georgia, or if paying up front yields interest accrual, it's far more than 5 years of small SUV level of road taxes.
 

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That's ridiculous. I'd definitely sign a class action if my state did that. I think all we have is a $75 fee for alternate fuel vehicles. I'm not sure I paid that when I registered my Volt, it wasn't listed in the fees.
 

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(begin rant) First question would be - how do you file a class action suit against the government (state or otherwise)? Second - do you think that a CAL would stand a chance of winning? Taxes are a fact of life, and with governments at all levels running short on funds, they're constantly looking for ways to drum up revenue (you know, instead of finding ways to spend less which to me would make more sense). South Carolina, for example, cannot even come together long enough to pass a 12¢ gas tax increase without tons of bickering, and enough concessions to effectively negate any monetary gains from the increase (which would be phased in over 6 years at 2¢/year, on top of the country's already lowest gas prices...). However, one of the hidden (or at least less publicly mentioned) options is to tack on a fee to hybrids and EVs. No clue what it will be, but knowing the legislature here, it will be ridiculously disproportionate to what they feel we aren't paying in gas taxes. On top of that, we pay a value based tax annually. That tax is very subjective. Case in point, '13 Chevy Silverado LT that stickered for about $42k was taxed at about $660 the first year. A '13 Chevy Volt base, that stickered at the time for $40k was taxed at $1050 for the first year. What method of new math was used to come up with those figures? What was worse, for me at least, was that there was no method for reporting actual gas consumption. Because I couldn't charge my Gen1 Volt, I ran around using a mixture of mountain mode and hold mode to self-charge the battery (yes, aware that it was incredibly inefficient), resulting in a combined mileage of about 35mpg. A little unfair given that there are non-hybrids getting better mileage and aren't subject to the same level of taxation. Then again, the red belt has always had it in for any sort of change so I guess I shouldn't be surprised by the hybrid hate. (end rant)
 

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Nebraska was the first state to tax electric vehicles extending all the way to even hybrids, back in 2011. Ostensibly it is to cover the costs of gas tax that you are not paying to fund the roads.
 

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While not the only or biggest reason, being able to use the HOT lanes for free *WAS* one of the reasons I bought the Volt. To do so, you had to register the Volt as an EV and pay the tax and tag. When I bought the Volt, all indications were that the new I-75/I-575 HOT lanes would have the same policy as the I-85 HOT lanes.

About a month or so ago, GDOT (or the legislature - I forget which) put out the exemptions for the 75/575 HOT corridor ... EV's no longer make the list for free travel - have to pay just like everyone else. Logic was that they replaced the HOV lane on 85 with the HOT and felt it was only fair to allow the same exemptions the HOV lane had. Since they didn't take a lane away on the 75/575 corridor, no need to allow the same exemptions.

It (probably) wouldn't have stopped me from buying the Volt back in December had I known that but it certainly would have kept me from wasting $235 to get the stupid AFV tag ...
 

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Boutique charges, fees, taxes, are only going to become more prevalent especially with the mood in D.C. For huge income tax relief. The present attitude of downsizing the federal government means more burdens on the individual states. Gasoline tax is a direct use tax. In theory that 26cents per gallon or whatever your states number may be directly funds the reconstruction of a dilapidated bridge or highway. Some additional registration fee on EVs is at present the only equitable way to have everyone participate in road repair funding. You can argue the numbers or percentages but the basic principle is sound.
 

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Yeah, I don't object to a fee in lieu of gas tax for road maintenance but let's make it fair. My Volt runs 90+% on gas because it only has a 35 mile electric range, it should not be grouped with EVs that never use gas.

Speaking of fairness, why does it cost as much to register my Honda Scooter that has 2 wheels, weighs less than 400 pounds and can only be used half the year, as my Dodge Caravan that weighs 3500 pounds, has 4 wheels and is driven year round? Talking to you, Washington DOL.
 

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I got caught in the same trap. Additionally, the Volt is currently the ONLY hybrid car that can go over 30 miles electric, which is the criteria for charging the $150. Gotta love Washington!
 
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