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Would someone please explain how the Tesla can go faster, go farther can do this without a gasoline engine and does it looking cooler than the Volt? All this talk about the lithium ion battery not being ready for the volt, yet the tesla people seem to have one ready for their vehicle?
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Because Tesla has less assets to loose once their battery goes BOOM! GM is being conservative enough to make sure their battery doesn't go BOOM an they can keep their assets.
 

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Tesla= 220 miles with two people then stop and charge over night.
Volt= 40 miles with four people then keep going, drive another 300 miles or so, then refuel at a gas station just like you do now (about 7-10 minutes) and repeat as necessary until you reach an ocean. No long stops required.

Volt vs. Tesla? No contest! Volt is revolutionary and Tesla is an historical footnote.
 

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Range - The Tesla is lighter because of composites, the batteries are substantially larger, the batteries Tesla uses hold more charge.

Speed - The Tesla is lighter because of composites, the motor is tweaked for speed, the 2-speed transmission is how they got to the speed they advertised.

Looks - The Tesla is built by Lotus in England. Look up the Lotus Elise and tell us what you thinkit looks like. GM is building their own car.

The down side to the Tesla is that the batteries, which do hold more charge, are only rated at 500 hrs. GM's batteries are 20 times that life. The Tesla's batteries are welded individually, 6000+ places to have a short.

Because the batteries have a higher internal resistance the regenerative braking on the Tesla has to be set lower than the Volt, working the already tired Tesla batteries harder than the Volts.

2 passenger Tesla, 4 passenger Volt.
 

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How about the Karma?

Thank you all for the valuable information. Does everyone also feel that the Fisker Karma will suffer the same issues that limit the Tesla?
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Thank you all for the valuable information. Does everyone also feel that the Fisker Karma will suffer the same issues that limit the Tesla?
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Not really the same issues as the Tesla, but it has it's own. The Karma is proposed to be a range extended electric vehicle, so the same idea as the Volt. The questions are, can they really meet their performance claims? What batteries are they using? What is their past experience at building cars in mass production? Do they really have the resources to pull off a project of this scale? For me, there are way too many sketchy and questionable details from a relative new comer with no mass production experience for me to really believe that the Karma will actually survive.
 

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DaV8or,

Henrick Fisker is a veteran of BMW and Aston Martin, and understands vehicle design / styling, and has contacts with the major Tier 1 suppliers of those components. Fisker's partner, Quantum Tech, is a Tier 1 supplier of alternative propulsion systems to commercial and military vendors. All Fisker needs is a turn-key assembly plant, which are common in Europe, and he is all set.

I see no problems getting the Fisker Karma to market, as it isn't boasting extreme performance numbers, and targeted luxury instead.
 

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Volt is going to be reachable for the middle class, not that upper class won't want one too... outstanding work by GM. Tesla vs. Fisker is a more fitting question. They are both premium vehicles. Both have stepped up however Fisker has the edge at this point even though they are not geared up for production. As Jason said Fisker's focus is luxury and design. When you have money looking good is important so my guess is - with design and extended range advantages Fisker will shine brighter. The lotus is also a good design, but it is just that...a Lotus. Tesla should have joined with Fisker instead of firing him!!
 

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Tesla should have joined with Fisker instead of firing him!!
I agree, but, at that time, Tesla was stuck on BEV's, and not REEV's. I credit Fisker for recognizing that he could develop a more stylish and marketable vehicle based on REEV tech from Quantum Tech, than a BEV based on Tesla Motors tech.

For the moment, I prefer that there be several companies pursuing REEV's, than one company with everyone partnered - concensus kills.
 

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One good thing about the Tesla, it's out there (finally) and it is high performance. To a lot of people, when you mention EV, they immediately think "golf cart". We need real products out there to gain the support of the masses.
 

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One good thing about the Tesla, it's out there (finally) and it is high performance. To a lot of people, when you mention EV, they immediately think "golf cart". We need real products out there to gain the support of the masses.
You mean something affordable like the EV-1?
 

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I want some good Karma

I really like the styling of the Karma over the Tesla. I hope it makes it to market. Thanks for all of the good info on these vehicles.
 

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What's wrong with golf carts?

One good thing about the Tesla, it's out there (finally) and it is high performance. To a lot of people, when you mention EV, they immediately think "golf cart". We need real products out there to gain the support of the masses.
Well then we need a massive public re-education program. Someone ought to tell the story of the electric golf cart. It is an amazing history in and of itself. Electric golf carts have covered millions of passenger miles with very low environmental impact. They are chosen for unmatched reliability and ease of maintenance. Their usage outside of golf courses has been increasing steadily. They provide reliable, affordable transportation around academic campuses, industrial complexes, sporting events, concerts, government facilities, and many, many southern housing neighborhoods. Where I live, they are like a second car! Public perception of "golf carts" should be very positive indeed.
 

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Golf carts are commoly used instead of ATVs n the coutry to get down cleared paths. ATVs are kept for offroad rough terrain but the golf cart is more than adequate for most needs. There's enough of a demand that dealerships exist that sell to the public.
 

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Tesla= 220 miles with two people then stop and charge over night.
Volt= 40 miles with four people then keep going, drive another 300 miles or so, then refuel at a gas station just like you do now (about 7-10 minutes) and repeat as necessary until you reach an ocean. No long stops required.

Volt vs. Tesla? No contest! Volt is revolutionary and Tesla is an historical footnote.
I agree even if the price were exactly the same, I'd rather have a Volt. It would be east to recharge the battery on the road or in a hotel parking lot, at least at first.
 

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If prices were the same, I would rather have a Tesla Roadster (then hook up a genset trailer or ICE pusher trailer should I need extended range).
 
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