Sure. He said that what GM may deliver, in teensy quantities, at an enormous price, in 2011, is an advance. Well, I would hope so but it remains to be seen. He also said he wouldn't count Toyota out and that Toyota would be continuing to develop their current vehicle. And he didn't mention that Toyota is just about doubling Prius manufacturing capacity in the near future. But it's true.daggie,
Did you hear Eric's admission that GM has leapfrogged Toyota with a vehicle that is actually an EV with a range extender? Everybody see it now - ev er y bo dy.
The only tech left is the PFCV, and Toyota is in the same boat as with the HEV - NO plug. Toyota is offering an FCV, but people will demand that they get some range derived from the grid, as that is the cheapest. Toyota can't leapfrog the plug, unless they have long life batteries for rapid recharge - mutually exclusive goals.They don't see the Volt taking hold for years... plenty of time for Toyota to leapfrog GM. As they did in 1997.
I said that last week also. Honda CEO is wrong about the public's acceptance of new technology and the cost differential, I still feel that way, but Honda is certainly positioned better than Toyota or anyone right now.Honda is looking good though - let's see if they capitalize on Toyota's miss-steps.
Why is it that when Toyota puts out big trucks and SUV's, its OK and "hindsight is 20/20" and all that, but when it comes to the domestics, they were supposed to see this current gas crisis coming? Just because they have the Prius?Honda is looking relatively better but it's because Toyota took a potentially profitable risk in big pickups that Honda (perhaps wisely) chose to avoid. This won't be a disaster for Toyota, as they can use the plant for other vehicles but hindsight is 20/20 and I can't say I blame them for trying to pick up some profits in the pickup business.
I did look. Nothing impressed me much about the site. The Corolla mpg numbers were no better than what people got with a Cobalt. I didn't see any data about how expensive the reported repairs were, by comparison. Looking at the individual data, the repairs listed on Chevy vehicles were generally much less expensive than for the Toyotas.They have several vehicles that GM can't touch on fuel economy:
Never mind the EPA numbers, look at what customers get on the road... GM isn't even in the room.
What? You're comparing changing the price of your oil to the price of some mythological $75 oil-changing dealership changing it and then saying you don't want to seem to one-sided? Wouldn't it make more sense to make the comparison using the same oil-changer? (That's the tactic all those radio show talkers use. Set up a false comparison then compare away.) So, if it were you changing your Prius oil, it would save you more since the ICE is used less, no?Dagwood,
I only went to the site you suggested and the real world data showed nearly identical mpg performance. Sorry. I didn't make it up.
It also showed under the repair records that someone paid 75 bucks a labeled it an oil change at 3000 miles. Once again, only going by the data at the site you suggested.
And no, I change my own oil, thank you. I invest my own time in my cars instead of paying someone else to do the simple things. Maybe thats why they mean more to me. And I only change my oil every 6-7000 miles anyway. Anyone with an understanding of maintenance knows every 3000 is silly. I used the 3000 number for the calculations. Real world the cost is even less for me. But I didn't want to make my argument look too one-sided.
I also have some cars to monitor. I had a 1990 Beretta GT. 260,000 miles, 13 yrs, almost no repairs. I wish I still had my record book on it to give an exact account. Current car 2003 Pontiac Grand Am GT, 120,000 miles so far, (1) $350 fuel pump repair. Other than that, perfect. Both got, and get me, over 30 mpg. I guess I managed to get the only two good cars GM made recently.Of course, I DO have my own fleet to monitor... and so far, no repairs. Let's see... 4 Toyotas, 14.9 years in use, 168K miles driven, average age at purchase 5 years, average mileage at purchase, 61K, zero repairs. I like it. Oil changes - same price as for a Cobalt.
If you disagree with TrueDelta's methodology, you can always go to CR. Or start your own web site. TrueDelta does explain the rationale.
I will never be caught changing Prius oil, I can assure you.So, if it were you changing your Prius oil, it would save you more since the ICE is used less, no?