[Money_Pit1]

So yet another way to kill the sales of the EV2 ... sorry Volt

GM is proving to us they have no intentions of having large sales and intent to kill the volt any way they can. With Lutz and fellow comrades gone, the volt has a very limited future

 

[Roy]

Thanks for the explanation, Statik. That clears up a lot.

All these incentives have an expiry and it is good that this one will be "saved" for later customers. Obviously the engine must have lower pollution to meet the high AT-PHEV status.

 

[Detroit_Suckers]

The Volt will never have a chance to be successful on a commercial scale, that is the reason why two major GM competitors didn't want to do this first hand. Producing Volt to get positive PR is stupid, when gas price goes to $4, Chevy Volt is still not competitive on a commercial scale (appealing to the general public) while HEV will be in high demand.

GM never changed their philosophy, that is to sell more stuff using hype, focusing on short-term hyping and ballyhoo instead of long term commitment/planning. This company will not have a future!

 

[drivin98]

You'd think they'd be a little more straight forward with you. It's not like you weren't going to find out and not blog about it. Anyway...

Guess Volt buyers in California will have to settle for the same thousands of dollars of Federal incentives like the rest of us.

 

[TedinFortMyers]

I sure hope that means that the Federal rebate will still apply. Had GM done the work and gotten the designation they would have reaped the rewards for years to come. Straight gas engine cars are so last century but they continue to persist in that direction. They maybe will never learn and it will be the EV-1 all over again. At least I will get my Volt and maybe my next car will have to be a BEV or EREV from another company. If that is how I feel as an early adopter imagine what the rest of the USA will think. I was never going to get a State rebate as Florida does not offer a rebate. But thousands of other potential customer in those states offering a rebate will opt for new technology cars from other manufacturers that do qualify.
GM has effectively relinquished a lead to manufacturers that will produce cars that are currently further behind in development. Shame on the new leadership of GM. Where is Bob Lutz when we need him most.

Thanks Static for the insight.

Take Care,
TED

 

[john1701a1]

Two-Mode hybrids actually have a dirtier emission rating than their traditional counterpart. The expense of cleansing equipment combined with the efficiency penalty made pursuing cleaner a low priority.

For Volt, it's an even greater challenge, since the engine gets used even less. For the catalytic-converter to function, it requires heat. Normally, that heat is provided by waste energy from the engine. Volt strives to avoid waste. Minimal use of fuel means minimal exhaust cleansing available.

To make the situation even worse, the better emission ratings require longer operational durations. ULEV is only 100,000 miles. For SULEV, it's 120,000. For PZEV, it's 150,000.

 

[Tagamet]

Well, this will be a great thread for the Negative Nellies (I'm not referring to you Statik). This announcement in no way suggests that GM isn't serious about continuing with the program. To draw that conclusion from the fact that they aren't getting every singe *State* incentive just doesn't make any sense.
Yes, they should have been more candid about Calif, but come on. It's one state. AFAIK, the *vast* majority of States don't offer ANY incentives. The early adopters *do* always pay a premium, but even THAT doesn't "fit" this situation. If GM said that the *base price* would initially be 5K higher everywhere - that would "fit".
The Volt will sell out for several years. It will be wildly successful. And best of all it's the first step of many that GM is making to start the journey away from foreign oil.
Aren't they already working on Gen 3? How exactly does that fit with the idea of killing the program? It doesn't. The Volt *program* is alive and well. 'Nuf said.

Be well and believe,
Tagamet

Let's Just Get The VOLTS ' Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS

 

[SURPRISE_SURPRISE]

This is funny as HELL !!
You Voltards have been duped again like the loyal little sheep you all are.
ROTFLMAO

 

[Volt_Suckas]

Just shows to go ya there is a Volt sucker born every minute.

You mindless monkeys would follow GM off a cliff now wouldn't you.

So Sad :-(

Waaaa Waaaaa Waaaahhhhhhh

 

[Tagamet]

Ted in Fort Myers : I sure hope that means that the Federal rebate will still apply. Had GM done the work and gotten the designation they would have reaped the rewards for years to come.

This announcement is about Calif. You'll only be effected if you go there to buy. In ALL the states, the FEDERAL tax break will still be in play.

Be well and believe,
Tagamet

Let's Just Get The VOLTS ' Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS

 

[Red HHR1]

Good story Statik! Have to mull this over. More Volts for the rest of us? 5k GM card rebate? Tomorrows story?

 

[Tagamet]

drivin98 : You’d think they’d be a little more straight forward with you. It’s not like you weren’t going to find out and not blog about it. Anyway…Guess Volt buyers in California will have to settle for the same thousands of dollars of Federal incentives like the rest of us.  

Amen. +1

Be well and believe,
Tagamet

Let's Just Get The VOLTS ' Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS

 

[Wang_Hung_Lo1]

Looks like GM is back to their sneaking deceptive ways. They ain't learned nothing from their failure and bankruptcy.

I think all you California early adopters just go bitch-slapped 5000 times by your hero.

Ouch!, I bet that hurt too.

 

[Tagamet]

PDNFTT.

Be well and believe,
Tagamet

Let's Just Get The VOLTS ' Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS

 

[R_U_Wiser]

I think all you Volt fanatics will now finally realize your precious Volt is NOT A ZERO EMISSION VEHICLE and I don't give a rat's ass how little gas you think you might use.

That 1.4L massive pollution generator in that Volt is obscene to Californians. Totally OBSCENE I tell you.

Crush the ICE and maybe you can compete with the Nissan LEAF and all the other zero emission EVs that are coming. But maybe not since GM killed their first true EV-1 they have shown they really don't wanna go that route again. Bad mistake Mister Goodwrench your bad.

 

[TedinFortMyers]

Tagamet : This announcement is about Calif. You’ll only be effected if you go there to buy. In ALL the states, the FEDERAL tax break will still be in play.Be well and believe,TagametLet’s Just Get The VOLTS ‘ Wheels On The Road!!****NPNS   (Quote)


Going to Michigan to buy my Volt. Good to see you on so early Tag.
There are many CARB States. The closest to me is Georgia.

Take Care,
TED

 

[bboaze]

Now that there will be less cars sold in California, that means more for the "Flyover States"

 

[Chump_Change]

Tagamet :
This announcement is about Calif. You’ll only be effected if you go there to buy.

Hey dummy why don't you do the math or are you calculator challenged.

The vast majority of initial 10,000 Volts are scheduled to be sold in......wait for it.......

CALIFORNIA ! .....boom

Quit trying to paint this as less than what it really is you lazy turd.

GM just punched you in the mouth ! Get up and take it like a man you wimp.