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Ticked off at the state of IL

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Purchased car in March and went straight to DMV to register.
Got charged a motor fuel tax as DMV deemed the Volt an EV.
They sent my stuff off to the state and plates were to come in the mail.
4 mos later had to go back in to get a longer temp tag as they hadn't come in yet.
2 weeks later they send me a letter with all the paperwork stating that DMV forgot to charge me for a title transfer fee or something like that. Sent a new check in with all the paperwork.
New plates and sticker come in about August.
Wheew...thought I was done.

A week ago the state sends me a letter stating my plates don't match the body style and it's illegal so go to DMV.
Hand the pile of papers to DMV and come to find out, Illinois doesn't see the VOLT as an EV. Since it has a gas engine range extender, they classify it as a hybrid. (everybody is flat clueless if this is a new classification or not). They really gloss over when you try to explain the engine is in no way conected to the tires through a driveline.
They proceed to issue me new passenger car plates. I asked about the fuel tax over charge and DMV doesn't do refunds, call this ### for reimbursement.
Called than ### for reimbursement and since it has been over 6 months I have to submit a special small claims reimbursement to the state.
Everybody is so happy to help me to call someone else, no one takes responsibility, they are all sorry this happened, even though its not their fault, and they hope I have a good rest of my day.
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That would make my millionaire farmer neighbor sad. He pays motor fuel tax for his OTR trucks, but the other dyed diesel is tax free. If his crew cab pickups and tractor trailers had to pay by annual mileage and GVW, he would weep soy-tears.

The overloaded tractor trailers and farm tractors that continually drive on the shoulder of our rural roads I would say are the #1 cause of edge break up and pavement failure of our roads.
His OTR trucks already pay a road use tax per mile driven ("IFTA" if multistate), the smaller trucks do too if they are over a certain GVWR. Not to mention the hugely expensive apportioned plates. IIRC the average OTR truck pays $25,000 to $50,000 in fuel and road taxes a year.
 

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Purchased car in March and went straight to DMV to register.
Got charged a motor fuel tax as DMV deemed the Volt an EV.
They sent my stuff off to the state and plates were to come in the mail.
4 mos later had to go back in to get a longer temp tag as they hadn't come in yet.
2 weeks later they send me a letter with all the paperwork stating that DMV forgot to charge me for a title transfer fee or something like that. Sent a new check in with all the paperwork.
New plates and sticker come in about August.
Wheew...thought I was done.

A week ago the state sends me a letter stating my plates don't match the body style and it's illegal so go to DMV.
Hand the pile of papers to DMV and come to find out, Illinois doesn't see the VOLT as an EV. Since it has a gas engine range extender, they classify it as a hybrid. (everybody is flat clueless if this is a new classification or not). They really gloss over when you try to explain the engine is in no way conected to the tires through a driveline.
They proceed to issue me new passenger car plates. I asked about the fuel tax over charge and DMV doesn't do refunds, call this ### for reimbursement.
Called than ### for reimbursement and since it has been over 6 months I have to submit a special small claims reimbursement to the state.
Everybody is so happy to help me to call someone else, no one takes responsibility, they are all sorry this happened, even though its not their fault, and they hope I have a good rest of my day.
Initially my volt was classified as an EV but then the laws where I live in California changed. Now its classified as a "hybrid" and I have to get it smogged every two years like any ICE auto. The volt is a different car and they don't get it. I think they are just trying to have a two sizes fit all. What a pain you've had to go through. I hate dealing with large bureaucracies.
 

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The volt is a different car and they don't get it.
Your Volt doesn't have a gasoline engine, never burns gasoline so no need to test it?:unsure: Your Volt really is different.
 
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I have a 2011 volt and mine does use gas. It switches over to the gasoline engine when the battery EV has been used
In relation to smog testing, it seems the state got it right then. It's a hybrid (gas and electric).
 

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Between farm and field they run massively overloaded. Almost spilling over front to back. The farm tractors fit easily in a 2 lane by themselves, but are barely big enough to allow one car to pass when forced into one lane. Front and real duals on an articulated tractor kills the road shoulder....that wasn't designed or built for the weight.

So if weight and weather kill roads, one can be controlled, the other can't. If a vehicle with a high GVW was taxed at a higher rate, I am cool with that. I am pretty sure the registration for tractor trailers in IL doesn't cover the damage done on the smaller byways.

But I would support a tax system based on GVW and mileage.
 

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But I would support a tax system based on GVW and mileage.
Me too. If the aim of the tax is to raise funds for road repairs, a use tax seems the most equitable. The more you use (miles + weight-based wear) the more you pay. The gas tax is an attempt at this, as are license fees. But obviously it struggles as the number of non-gas powered transport vehicles increase.

Another option is a flat tax that everyone and every business pays even if you don't own a car. The assumption is roads are something you still benefit from whether directly or indirectly.
 
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There are many locations that require vehicles with internal combustion engines to continue to meet emissions limit requirements in order to be legally used on public roads in the state. Does the Volt have an ICE?
There are some areas (not MA just yet) that have alternative tax structures for electrically power vehicles that use public roads yet don't pay via the tax collected at the fuel pump. Does the Volt meet that 'electrically powered vehicle' definition?
I'm still subject to the annual state emission check-test for the 3/4 of the car that's ICE. I have no reason to expect that I won't also be subject to any future road use fee that might be imposed on the other 3/4 of the car that is grid electric.
I'd hate to be solo in the HOV lane when the battery runs out. What was a legal use as a single occupant in a BEV is instantly illegal as the ICE starts.

In MA it is also a hybrid. DMV doesn't care if its series, parallel, what battery technology, any technical stuff.
I have EV plates on my 14 gen1 at the recommendation of my insurance agent. The plates are no added cost above the standard issue passenger plates, and to date, have no perks associated. The recommendation-suggestion to apply for the "EV" designation was solely to be a means of providing some basic level of notification to any potential first responders attending to an accident that there is a high voltage electric source present and to use added protection while assisting in extrication.
In Washington State, I get to pay gas tax on the gas I purchase, and a special flat fee as an electric vehicle too. Luckily they discontinued emission testing before I had to run that gantlet.
 
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