[Joe67]

Waymo will now outfit the Pacificas with Waymo’s self-driving technology, including a purpose-built computer and a suite of sensors, telematics and other systems

Fiat Chrysler Automobiles said today it has completed the development of 100 uniquely outfitted Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid minivans and has delivered them to Waymo, which will turn them into the industry's first test fleet of fully autonomous minivans.

The test fleet is part of a collaboration announced in May between the Auburn Hills automaker and Waymo, a company that was previously known as Google's Self-Driving Car Project until it renamed itself last week.



More: http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/2016/12/18/fca-driverless-pacifica-minivans-waymo/95536818/

 

[llninja]

I keep wondering why Google renamed themselves to Alphabet Soup. So they now have a Google, Waymo, YouTube, what else?

Too bad I have no interest in a crossover minivan. Next...

 

[Joe67]

I keep wondering why Google renamed themselves to Alphabet Soup. So they now have a Google, Waymo, YouTube, what else?

Too bad I have no interest in a crossover minivan. Next...

Alphabet soup lol.
That is the new parent company, Alphabet

 

[llninja]

Alphabet soup lol.
That is the new parent company, Alphabet

Right, that's http://abc.xyz, not be confused with http://alphabet.com or http://abc.com. What were they smoking?

Google has become evil in their practices, especially they way they start popping up ads when to go to some website to look at something. I'm now a big http://DuckDuckGo.com fan as they are the search engine that doesn't track you. Plus Alphabet has way too much money, as does Amazon, Apple....wait maybe it's all tech companies that start with A.

 

[Joe67]

Right, that's http://abc.xyz, nto be confused with http://alphabet.com or http://abc.com. What were they smoking?

Google has become evil in their practices, especially they way they start popping up ads when to go to so,e website to look at something. I'm now a big http://DuckDuckGo.com fan as they are the search engine that doesn't track you.

They are doing something right
Search engine tracking is one of the lowest items I'm worried about personally.

And all those views, and zero love for my pun LOL

 

[jbakerjonathan]

They are doing something right
Search engine tracking is one of the lowest items I'm worried about personally.

And all those views, and zero love for my pun LOL

Well, to give you smiles, I did think you were making a comment on the expense of something in your title and that piqued my interest, so the effect of your pun was not lost entirely.

I have to at all of puns LLninja has made over Google, Alphabet, abc, xyz, etc... But, EVIL???, a rather extreme epithet to use in commenting on the business practice that hurts no one, albeit is an annoying one where ads are concerned.

 

[llninja]

Well, to give you smiles, I did think you were making a comment on the expense of something in your title and that piqued my interest, so the effect of your pun was not lost entirely.

I have to at all of puns LLninja has made over Google, Alphabet, abc, xyz, etc... But, EVIL???, a rather extreme epithet to use in commenting on the business practice that hurts no one, albeit is an annoying one where ads are concerned.

Google actually has an internal mantra that says "Do No Evil". To have such a mantra they have been thinking of evil things to do. They have a huge repository of everything on the internet, every person's search habit (except for folks who always use incognito), their maps software shows you older stuff, but a Google employee can see anywhere in the US with up-to-date info. A friend of mine has a daughter that works there, and while they were visiting her, she was able to show them naer live satellite footage of the snowfall at their home in Central Illinois.

Years ago Google got in trouble for bypassing Safari browser security for their own internal collection. They stole bits of Java and got sued by Oracle (the company that bought out Sun Microsystems) because of it. Google was in trouble with Android copying many aspects of IOS, so they bought Motorola Mobility, grabbed their war chest of patents, fired most of the employees (many who were my friends) and then sold to the Chinese at Lenovo while keeping a license to those patents). Now if Apple sues them it will be a spitting war because they have a bunch of patents which they acquired rather than invented. They are splitting the company up into many pieces so if any one gets sued, it's separate and distinct from any other (yeah, good business practice, but still, there's no need to do that if you weren't doing something evil). Years ago there were also grumbling about Google combining all their information across YouTube, google docs, and google hangouts in their privacy policy. Evil.

 

[jbakerjonathan]

Google actually has an internal mantra that says "Do No Evil". To have such a mantra they have been thinking of evil things to do. They have a huge repository of everything on the internet, every person's search habit (except for folks who always use incognito), their maps software shows you older stuff, but a Google employee can see anywhere in the US with up-to-date info. A friend of mine has a daughter that works there, and while they were visiting her, she was able to show them naer live satellite footage of the snowfall at their home in Central Illinois.

Years ago Google got in trouble for bypassing Safari browser security for their own internal collection. They stole bits of Java and got sued by Oracle (the company that bought out Sun Microsystems) because of it. Google was in trouble with Android copying many aspects of IOS, so they bought Motorola Mobility, grabbed their war chest of patents, fired most of the employees (many who were my friends) and then sold to the Chinese at Lenovo while keeping a license to those patents). Now if Apple sues them it will be a spitting war because they have a bunch of patents which they acquired rather than invented. They are splitting the company up into many pieces so if any one gets sued, it's separate and distinct from any other (yeah, good business practice, but still, there's no need to do that if you weren't doing something evil). Years ago there were also grumbling about Google combining all their information across YouTube, google docs, and google hangouts in their privacy policy. Evil.

The mantra may be the way to say to employees to reflect on what is being created and to make sure that it does not have a negative impact on people. I wouldn't think that that implies that they have a collective thinking of evil things to do. To me "evil" implies very sinister, hurtful thought or action toward others. It is a very strong word with biblical connotations for me: the forces of Good and Evil. I don't see it applying here.

I don't know what you wish to imply with the anecdote about showing near up-to-date video of snowfall on the parent's home in Illinois. I would expect that Google would have tools that operate in real-time. Is there something sinister in that? If so, would you not consider CATV surveillance of the public in our cities to be sinister, too?

I admit to not being aware of all of Google's history. I am sure that I would find actions taken by them to be distasteful to me, or worse; but, I can say that about GM (outboard gas tanks on trucks) or Ford (Pinto gas tank) or McDonalds (hot coffee), or Romney's (the son) early business practices, too.

 

[llninja]

The mantra may be the way to say to employees to reflect on what is being created and to make sure that it does not have a negative impact on people. I wouldn't think that that implies that they have a collective thinking of evil things to do. To me "evil" implies very sinister, hurtful thought or action toward others. It is a very strong word with biblical connotations for me: the forces of Good and Evil. I don't see it applying here.

I don't know what you wish to imply with the anecdote about showing near up-to-date video of snowfall on the parent's home in Illinois. I would expect that Google would have tools that operate in real-time. Is there something sinister in that? If so, would you not consider CATV surveillance of the public in our cities to be sinister, too?

I admit to not being aware of all of Google's history. I am sure that I would find actions taken by them to be distasteful to me, or worse; but, I can say that about GM (outboard gas tanks on trucks) or Ford (Pinto gas tank) or McDonalds (hot coffee), or Romney's (the son) early business practices, too.

The fact that Google has so much insight into people's lives, they could easily become "big Brother is Watching You" - but at least in the George Orwell book the Government told the people they were watching as a deterrent to wrongdoing. It really surprises me that companies would switch their internal confidential documentation to be housed on Google Docs and emails on Gmail. The temptation to use that data, even if not apparent to the public eye is great. Privacy policies are only pieces of paper and electronic bits of text, they don't protect you from prying eyes. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I've seen enough strangeness in Google to be suspicious and wary

 

[jbakerjonathan]

The fact that Google has so much insight into people's lives, they could easily become "big Brother is Watching You" - but at least in the George Orwell book the Government told the people they were watching as a deterrent to wrongdoing. It really surprises me that companies would switch their internal confidential documentation to be housed on Google Docs and emails on Gmail. The temptation to use that data, even if not apparent to the public eye is great. Privacy policies are only pieces of paper and electronic bits of text, they don't protect you from prying eyes. I
M not a conspiracy theorist, but I've seen enough strangeness in Google to be suspicious and wary

Aside from targeted ads, is there any evidence that Google is being sinister or malevolent toward people, places or things?

I do agree that it does not make sense to have sensitive business information stored off-site on a server controlled by another company. Sensitive data should be held closely.

 

[llninja]

Aside from targeted ads, is there any evidence that Google is being sinister or malevolent toward people, places or things?

I do agree that it does not make sense to have sensitive business information stored off-site on a server controlled by another company. Sensitive data should be held closely.

I thought I already listed the direct evidence: bypassing of Safari security protocols to obtain more information than they were supposed to (and when they were caught, they said they were sorry and wouldn't do it again), copying intellectual property in Java and IOS, their combining of privacy policies (so if you were a YouTube user, now you are also under a larger umbrella) thus reducing your privacy, and their 2nd class treatment of Motorola Mobility employees who didn't get the same perks as Google employees (no free food, completely separate HR, retirement, and healthcare plans), then got laid off - cast away in what appears to be a patent play. Lots of ex-Motorola Mobility employees in the Chicagoland area have no love for Google. The last remaining few are now given tasks to hand off their work to Chinese engineers, so their days are numbered, going from one empire to another (Lenovo, headquartered in Communist China where even their stock market and business practices are suspect).

 

[jbakerjonathan]

I thought I already listed the direct evidence: bypassing of Safari security protocols to obtain more information than they were supposed to (and when they were caught, they said they were sorry and wouldn't do it again), copying intellectual property in Java and IOS, their combining of privacy policies (so if you were a YouTube user, now you are also under a larger umbrella) thus reducing your privacy, and their 2nd class treatment of Motorola Mobility employees who didn't get the same perks as Google employees (no free food, completely separate HR, retirement, and healthcare plans), then got laid off - cast away in what appears to be a patent play. Lots of ex-Motorola Mobility employees in the Chicagoland area have no love for Google. The last remaining few are now given tasks to hand off their work to Chinese engineers, so their days are numbered, going from one empire to another (Lenovo, headquartered in Communist China where even their stock market and business practices are suspect).

Sorry, I overlooked those things you pointed out. OK, Google business practices in some cases are hurting people. But, is Google any worse than others? Ford moving jobs to Mexico. Carrier doing the same. GM manufacturing the PHEV CT6 in China. Romney, the son, did similar things to the workers of companies he bought. Businesses don't have souls, even though they are considered "people" by our SCOTUS. I just don't see where Google is any worse than any other company. Maybe you feel that all the companies I mentioned are Evil.

 

[llninja]

Sorry, I overlooked those things you pointed out. OK, Google business practices in some cases are hurting people. But, is Google any worse than others? Ford moving jobs to Mexico. Carrier doing the same. GM manufacturing the PHEV CT6 in China. Romney, the son, did similar things to the workers of companies he bought. Businesses don't have souls, even though they are considered "people" by our SCOTUS. I just don't see where Google is any worse than any other company. Maybe you feel that all the companies I mentioned are Evil.

Ford and carrier moving jobs to Mexico was part of nafta, they are our neighbors, part of North America, and certainly a better option than moving manufacturing to china or India. Ford also gets kudos for not taking bailout money. GM still builds many of their cars in this continent, and the reason the CT6 PHEV is getting built in china appears to be because of Chinese government rules combined with american's lack of interest in their last PHEV offering.

Working in the tech world, I see Google being a bigger bully than Microsoft was, and remember Microsoft was found to be guilty of monopolistic practices and was only given a light slap on the wrist.