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Well...

Here it is! The first real EV available for delivery TODAY!!!!!!!

200+ Mile Range per charge.
85+ MPH top speed
0-60 time of approx 8 seconds
Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries (LiFePo4)
Heat, AC, Stereo, Power Assist Brakes, Air bags, etc, etc, etc.

It is a really well engineered Ford Ranger conversion.

I have no affiliation with this company but I'm impressed with what their doing. I might not have to wait for the Volt after all.

Check it out...This link is about the basics: http://www.lionev.com/Trucks.html

This one has detailed photos of the conversion:
http://www.lionev.com/DIY_Ranger.html

Things are beginning folks...

P.S. Thanks to all of you who went to the Volt Nation event...wish I was there!
 

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Do a lot of homework on these guys. I've never dealt with them, but there is PLENTY on the net to suggest they are not legitimate. I'd strongly recommend escrowing the cash or at a minimum, investigating them to the fullest extent before sending them a dime.

...I hope they're legit.
 

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They seem like good people to me so far.
I'm seriously considering the DIY Ranger approach and they have been great in answering my questions.

I'm remaining optimistic right now and will reserve my judgement based on my experience with them...

For now...WOW! I'm excited to build an EV with those specs. I'll install lead acid batts till the price of the LiFePO4 batts comes down.

Did you note their approach for the heater...simply brilliant.(IMHO)
 

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That's a good price for a conversion - too bad they chose the small truck as the platform. Companies - construction, landscaping, etc. - that would buy a truck typically look for something bigger.
39K PLUS the vehicle? I'd go with Fisker for that price.
 

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NO...$39K complete, including the vehicle.

<<<OR>>>

You supply the Ranger + $5200 for the conversion kit less the batteries. ($2500-$12,000 LA or LiFePO4)

But you can have or build this vehicle TODAY! Approx $29,000 if you buy the Ranger and do the conversion yourself.

$10,000.00 less than the Volt may be...3 years from now!!!
 

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NO...$39K complete, including the vehicle.
<<<OR>>>
You supply the Ranger + $5200 for the conversion kit less the batteries. ($2500-$12,000 LA or LiFePO4)
But you can have or build this vehicle TODAY! Approx $29,000 if you buy the Ranger and do the conversion yourself.
$10,000.00 less than the Volt may be...in almost 3 years!!!
I'll go back and read it again, but the conversion thread talks about 3 "walkaround" inspections and checking YOUR truck's working condition before doing the conversion. At the top of that page is the 39K price, so I read that as 39K using your truck. No? Help me out here.
 

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I emailed them with a direct question re the truck and price.
 

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39K PLUS the vehicle? I'd go with Fisker for that price.
I thought it was @ 39K for a converted new Ranger. That's around 19K for the truck and another $19 to 20K for the conversion.

You pay a non-refundable $1000, then half when the truck is ordered
and the rest when it arrives for conversion. I'd say paying the rest when you get the converted truck or when it is ready to be shipped would be fair.

I'd wait a year or two before I went with this company, but they seem innovative.

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You are all missing the main problem, should you deicde to do this:

You now own a vehicle that has no real warranty or national service organization, should it start to give you problems.

And it still keeps the Ford transmission, but now that is no longer covered under any warranty by Ford!

No thanks. This is why I have been waiting for a real car from a real manufacturer with real service capabilities!!
 

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The warranty is supposed to still be good (on the transmission) but you make a good point. They warrant the batteries for the life of the vehicle (last I heard) but who knows how long they will be around? There is a big plus in waiting for a major manufacturer to sell a true EV. Especially once the prices go down.

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You are all missing the main problem, should you deicde to do this:

You now own a vehicle that has no real warranty or national service organization, should it start to give you problems.

And it still keeps the Ford transmission, but now that is no longer covered under any warranty by Ford!

No thanks. This is why I have been waiting for a real car from a real manufacturer with real service capabilities!!
 

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The warranty is supposed to still be good (on the transmission) but you make a good point. They warrant the batteries for the life of the vehicle (last I heard) but who knows how long they will be around? There is a big plus in waiting for a major manufacturer to sell a true EV. Especially once the prices go down.

TexicanRadio

I think I'd take my chances with the Miles Javlon, MieV, or something due out in 2009. These guys are too small, too young, and just not quite there (as of yet).
 

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I am about to visit the site. This sounds like something I would rather do with an older car that just lost an engine. Would be much easier (and no warranty issues) to fork over 19K to convert my old truck than to double that for a make and model I don't want that is brand spanking new and then forfeit the engine right out of the blocks.
 

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I have been emailing back and forth with this "person" at LionEv for a while now. I am beginning to doubt the legitimacy of their claim. First of all, the fact that this PHEV Ford Escape Hybrid is STILL available for sale is suspect to me. There are thousands of folks wanting a PHEV, and many that are wanting a Ford Escape Hybrid (which are also limited in supply). The person "Ken Curry" is wanting $5,000 up front to buy the car, and you pick it up after a show in Dallas. After weeks, this PHEV is still available for sale? How can that be? I googled Ken Curry Scams, and it did not produce favorable results. They will not send pictures of the PHEV module. These home depot photos of rubber plugs are bizzare. Read the list of items to perform a PHEV DIY kit. A bag of "potting soil"? What is up that? I'm skeptical of LionEv to say the least.
 

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Ford Ranger Conversion Parts

I agree with Eric that without a solid warranty on the batteries and charging system I would put lead-acid batteries in any conversion; and like the Volt I'd add an onboard generator with about 25HP to further reduce the cost and risk associated with the batteries.

Parts to convert a Ford Ranger are available thru ElectroAutomotive (www.electroauto.com) and you can configure it with the same Warfield Motors Warp-11 DC motor that Lion uses. It's not a complete bundled kit designed for a Ford Ranger, but Shari Prange at ElectroAuto is very helpful and could probably put you in touch with someone who has converted a Ranger.

I converted a 2001 Toyota MR2 Spyder with components I bought thru Electro Auto and am very happy with the results. Including the car, the whole thing cost about $17,500 (with Odyssey lead-acid batteries). But I wouldn't recommend blazing new trails like I did; there was no transmission adapter available for the MR2 Spyder and I couldn't find anyone that had converted one either. So in comparison the Ford Ranger would be a "piece of cake".

I was cursing the car companies for months as I worked to do that conversion; saying "Why do I have to do this; I'd gladly pay to buy a professionally manufactured EV if they would only make them." But looks like for another two years, the only way to get a reasonably priced EV is to build it yourself.

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They seem like good people to me so far.
I'm seriously considering the DIY Ranger approach and they have been great in answering my questions.

I'm remaining optimistic right now and will reserve my judgement based on my experience with them...

For now...WOW! I'm excited to build an EV with those specs. I'll install lead acid batts till the price of the LiFePO4 batts comes down.

Did you note their approach for the heater...simply brilliant.(IMHO)
 

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oooh, oooh, Only $39,000 for an electric vehicle! I think I'll go out and buy 5!!!! NOT! These initial offerings will either go belly up or be forced into realistic pricing very soon. If you have money to burn, go buy a Ford. Or, stick with a tried and true CHEVROLET. My last 13 vehicles were GM products. Only one broke down on the highway and cost nothing to fix(under warranty). That's one vehicle in over twenty years with GM products. There's a lot of "competition" out there. Lets see who outlasts who in production and pricing. You think maybe GM?
 

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I registered in this forum to caution against giving Ken Curry / LionEV any of your money.

Ken has been convicted of fraud in the past for selling things he didn't actually have; in 2006 he was tried and convicted for selling gold coins - that didn't exist - over eBay in 2004.

Unfortunately I discovered this only after sending Ken $36,000 for two Ranger conversion kits. Ken promised the kits would ship out the next day and we'd receive them in about a week.

After two weeks nothing had arrived. I was unable to reach Ken but my partner Les managed to get through to Ken's phone to ask for a tracking number. Ken said there was a problem with some diodes and the kits would ship in a day or two.

After four more weeks went by, during which time neither my partner and I were able to get a hold of Ken be either email or phone, I started looking into Ken Curry's background. I discovered Ken's 2006 of mail and wire fraud for selling 381 $50 gold coins on eBay - coins he didn't possess . His sentence of 1 year in prison, 1 year house arrest, and 3 years probation was vacated by a court of appeals.

I went on to discover that through LIonEV.com Ken had also victimized Ram Mohan of Austin, TX in December 2007, charging him more than $40,000 for a plug-in hybrid vehicle he never delivered. Instead he delivered a Ford Ranger converted to electric propulsion, but with far cheaper and less efficient lead acid batteries in place of the lithium ion batteries Ram had paid for.

In January 2008, Christopher D'Andrea of Berkley, CA paid Ken a similar amount for a Ford Ranger converted to electric propulsion and featuring lithium ion batteries but has not received the truck at all. To date he's received partial repayment totaling just over $5,000.

A Massechusetts customer bought one of the "Ford Ranger Hybrid Plug In Conversions" - only to discover that Ken's 'conversion' was an electric cord stuffed in the grille and fed back into the frame... leading nowhere. Seriously. The other end of the cord wasn't hooked to anything, and the charger was nonexistent.

I sent Ken an email informing him if I did not receive valid tracking numbers for the two complete kits this week I'd take action to reclaim the funds I'd paid him. Ken telephoned me the next morning, blaming the delay on metal parts not yet polished by the shop Ken subcontracted to perform the conversions; a Predator Performance in PA

Two trucks have been delivered, one to a dealership in California and one to a woman in Texas - shipped to the respective customers by Predator Performance. The shop manager of Predator Performance, Jeff, contacted me today in response to a message I left on their answering machine. Jeff informed me that the two vehicles shipped were the ONLY two vehicles their shop have ever converted for Ken and NO metal components for kits have been picked up - nor even paid for - by Ken or LIonEV. Furthermore, Jeff informed me, Predator Performance doesn't offer any polishing services and that is not the cause of any delay.

Robert Krask, the Federal Prosecutor who handled Kenneth Curry's prosecution for fraud, has indicated via email to my fellow victim Chris D'Andrea (an email forwarded to me by Chris) that despite the vacated sentence Ken previously served 12 months, before being released pending his 2d appeal. That appeal is now complete and the appellate court returned jurisdiction of the case back to the district court. Bob Krask filed a motion requesting that the district court enter an order directing Mr. Curry to report to the U.S. Marshal to serve the remaining jail sentence.

As of this writing I've been informed that Ken has been re-arrested and is to serve 24 months for his previous conviction. Curiously, Ken's site continues to be updated. He claims an electric Fiero as "Another LIonEV project" when he obtained photos of said Fiero from someone else's flikr account. He claimed to be working on a DeLorean conversion with the Bonham District Independent School Board - the board emailed him demanding he remove their name from his site, and it's been removed.

But even though Ken is allegedly behind bars, I am still out a lot of money.

Learn from my mistake. Avoid LIonEV. Period.
 

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Here is the link to the FBI internet crimes division to report internet fraud. I would do it but you have to have been the victim or a party to the victim.

http://www.ic3.gov/
I've been in touch with IC3 and the Richmond office of the FBI, along with a detective with the Richmond office of the Virginia state police, my local police, and the RCMP ever since the deal went sideways.

About Ken's priors:

From United States v. Curry, 461 F.3d 452 (August, 2006):

"In the summer and fall of 2004, Curry was on the verge of financial ruin. His security system installation company was over ninety days
past due on a $138,000 debt, and he owed the IRS $98,000. The government contends that Curry turned to his "hobby" of dealing in coins to get out of his financial straits. At the end of summer 2004, Curry placed up for auction on eBay large volumes of one-ounce gold coins, known as "Gold Eagles."1 Between August and October 2004, Curry sold 381 Gold Eagles to twenty-one different buyers. According to the government, Curry made a series of false representations in his advertisements of the coins. For example, he represented that (1) the coins were located in Virginia Beach, J.A. 786; (2) the coins were "part of a larger estate auction that [would] take about three months to complete," id. at 777; (3) the coins were of exceptional quality and likely only to have been seen by the mint or the original buyer, id.; and (4) he would provide a full refund to all unhappy buyers, id. at 787. The twenty-one buyers paid Curry approximately $148,000 for the 381 coins. Of the 381 coins purchased, Curry delivered only 44 of the coins, which represented only partial deliveries to two purchasers."

He was tried and convicted for mail fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1341 and wire fraud under 18 U.S.C. § 1343 on May 31, 2005.

The Appeal decision: http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/055090.P.pdf
 
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