Why? There isn't much better than a deleted diesel.
Testdrive in a Diesel Cruze
2017 with leather package.
This was a short test drive. The plastic was still on the seats, just off the truck on Saturday.
Pros
Diesel knock is absent, just as advertised.
9 speed automatic shifts smoothly - double clutch technology works. You have to get on the "oil" to make it downshift forcibly enough to feel it.
Stop-start technology.
Diesel torque + 9 speeds - pretty good acceleration
Cons
Low pitch engine rumble is always there - in no way is this silent propulsion.
Normally I would go with the Volt but the choice is not so clearcut here. There's zero state incentives, I'd have to buy the Volt and get 0% financing to go along with a modest amount of manufacturer's incentives. Even with the fed tax credit it's stretching to make the number close enough.
This was a short test drive. The plastic was still on the seats, just off the truck on Saturday.
Pros
Diesel knock is absent, just as advertised.
9 speed automatic shifts smoothly - double clutch technology works. You have to get on the "oil" to make it downshift forcibly enough to feel it.
Stop-start technology.
Diesel torque + 9 speeds - pretty good acceleration
Cons
Low pitch engine rumble is always there - in no way is this silent propulsion.
Normally I would go with the Volt but the choice is not so clearcut here. There's zero state incentives, I'd have to buy the Volt and get 0% financing to go along with a modest amount of manufacturer's incentives. Even with the fed tax credit it's stretching to make the number close enough.
1 - 11 of 57 Posts
But diesel will return much better MPG along with many other benefits with the only downsides are entry price and difficulty deleting the destructive emissions system.Diesel is also anywhere from .10 to .20 cents more per gallon than 87 octane.
I would routinely get 25MPG in my 6.7 with a 68RFE behind it. I would have had a man pedal but plowing with a stick is terrible.
Delete it. Not only will you never have to worry about DEF, the oil stays a lot cleaner for a lot longer. I get 25MPG with my 6.7 cummins and change the oil every 20-25,000 miles using amsoil and blackstone. And the engine will last a lot longer without that garbage on there.Having owned several Diesel vehicles, I can agree with this, other than the Urea part. For instance, my 1-ton pickup required the Urea tank to be topped off every 9,000 miles, at a cost of roughly $7. So the expense of the Urea is not a real factor. The expense of oil changes on a Diesel is a factor though, costing 2-3 times what a gas vehicle would. Diesel vehicles are becoming less fuel efficient as EPA regulations increase. A Diesel Hybrid would probably be the most fuel efficient, but also the most costly to purchase.
Yes, it will void the power train warranty as you'd be programming the PCM. But I have a cummins/ram so I wasn't worried about the warranty. It was deleted the day after I took ownership and I needed the warranty once for a front pinion seal leak at 98,000 miles and it was fixed under warranty.Removing the emissions system from a car might void the warranty, you think?
Seeing as how the engine will actually live a long, healthy and trouble free life while doubling the MPG there is no downside, unless you have a ford, especially a diesel, then you'll need the warranty.
I went from 13-15 to 24-25 mpg hand calculated. In NY my truck passed it's annual state inspection. The truck injects fuel on the exhaust stroke to heat up the DPF, wasting a ton of fuel, watering down the oil with fuel, and creating a tremendous amount of damaging heat.
The point of a diesel is long engine life.
The point of a diesel is long engine life.
I doubt it came broken.In other words, your emissions system was broken, so you took it out. No Diesel truck gets that poor fuel mileage. Even my longbed dually with intact DPF and urea system gets 20 mpg and 13 mpg when towing.
New fuels and modern diesels don't really have this problem. My cummins starts without a problem, not plugged in, no glow plugs or grid heater in that same temperature.One more problem with DIESEL,,,in the serious winter you will need ANTIFREEZE,,or will freeze/gel, stopping the engine,,,I learned that lesson with an OLDSMOBILE DELTA 88 in the middle of a January night ,2AM on a small road in OHIO...I was young and ignorant of this particular problem, at minus 10 F*, a passing truck saved my life from hypothermia, the 2 batteries that GM put in this model were dead! Life is a learning expirience, sometimes we get lucky.
I know what he said, but he indicated that that was still a problem if his first sentence.He did say Delta 88. They only offered diesels on those in, like, '78 through '83.
Diesels belong in anything they will fit in. There are no more "diesel" problems.Interesting. But not for me. Many years ago, a diesel fanatic friend talked me into buying a 1987 Mercedes diesel. Like the Delta 88 poster above, below 0F temperatures killed it and left me walking. That was enough for me. Never again. And there were other things I didn't like: maintenance was more expensive and fuel was messy, stinky and hard to find-- at least it was less expensive.
Diesel engines belong in trucks. I just don't see the benefit for cars anymore.
Back in the day, before the EPA declared war on diesels, they would get better mileage and last way longer than gas engines. The same EPA that is trying hard to kill diesels, forced manufacturers to vastly improve the gasoline engine for economy and low emissions. The benefit to the consumer has been better economy, power and longevity. Now that gas engines are so good, I just don't see the benefit of diesel.
There is a movement in Europe (long the bastion of diesel cars) to ban diesel engines completely. http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/are-diesel-fuels-days-numbered.html/?a=viewall
IMHO electric and/or gas are the best choice for most folks.
Most of them would have kept their cars if it wasn't for the payout. I'd love one of the cars they bought back. Only tree huggers truly cared. Everyone else saw, I get what I paid for the car and I drove it for 2-3 years... Sure, I'll take a check. You made it completely out of context. I'd take one of those, delete it and tune it and enjoy it for years and years.480,000 Volkswagen owners would disagree with you.
1 - 11 of 57 Posts
- This is an older thread, you may not receive a response, and could be reviving an old thread. Please consider creating a new thread.
GM Volt Forum
A forum community dedicated to Chevy Volt electric car owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about hybrid performance, modifications, classifieds, troubleshooting, maintenance, reviews, and more!
Full Forum Listing
Recommended Communities
