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We have recently heard about several of Tesla’s upcoming vehicles, especially the Model Y and Tesla Semi since they are expected to be unveiled next, but we haven’t heard about the planned electric pickup truck in a while.

Now CEO Elon Musk hints that it could be based on the same tech developed for Tesla Semi.
When Musk unveiled Tesla’s product plan last year, he revealed that Tesla had an electric pickup truck in early stages of development. Musk had already been talking about Tesla making an electric pickup for a few years now, but in April 2017, he said that the company is only going to reveal it “18 to 24 months” from now.

That’s the last time we heard of Tesla’s upcoming pickup as the company focused on Model Y, which is expected to be a crossover based on the platform developed for Model 3, and Tesla Semi, the all-electric semi truck, which Tesla plans to unveil on October 26th.

Now Musk responded to someone on Twitter suggesting that Tesla should build a light duty pickup after Tesla Semi:
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status...k.co/2017/09/16/elon-musk-tesla-pickup-truck/
You can ignore all the commenters on the Semi...

In a previous op-ed after Musk said that Tesla doesn’t plan to unveil its pickup truck until the end of the decade, I argued that ‘Tesla should unveil its electric pickup truck and open reservations right away for the sake of the US auto industry‘.

The idea is that pickups are the profit centers for all the American automakers and by showing that there’s demand for electric versions of those trucks, like Tesla’s reservation process did with the Model 3, it would jump-start efforts to electrify their own truck programs.

At this point, Tesla’s new vehicle unveiling plans remain unclear. Based on Musk’s previous comments that Model Y is the priority at Tesla after Model 3, you would think that we were going to see that car first, but now all the attention is on Tesla Semi.

Furthermore, Tesla is already offering discounts on the next-gen Roadster through its referral program even though we have no idea when we are going to see that car.

https://electrek.co/2017/09/16/elon-musk-tesla-pickup-truck/

And yes...if there were an announced waiting list...I'd put down a deposit on one of these...:)
 

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Many companies tried to enter the pickup market with various level of success.

What Tesla will fight hardest against is also Tesla's main advantage in selling sedan/SUVs:

Image and branding.

"Built Tesla Tough" doesn't seem to ring a bell.
"Hardest Working Truck" also probably will not roll off the tongue easy.
 

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For most users an electric pickup should be a good replacement for the traditional ICE powered pickup. It's a really good solution for commercial users whose fleet doesn't range far from base, particularly if they can use cheap commercial off peak electric to recharge overnight.

Unfortunately there are a few users like me who use the truck in areas where there is no electricity, for us an extended range plug-in pickup is a better solution.
 

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For most users an electric pickup should be a good replacement for the traditional ICE powered pickup. It's a really good solution for commercial users whose fleet doesn't range far from base, particularly if they can use cheap commercial off peak electric to recharge overnight.

Unfortunately there are a few users like me who use the truck in areas where there is no electricity, for us an extended range plug-in pickup is a better solution.
Yes, with today's technology and pricing, an EREV pickup makes far more sense than a BEV version for typical truck buyers.
A pickup when used for hauling or towing, consumes power at a rate that is over twice as high as a sedan.
So a 300 mile BEV pickup will need 2400lb of battery (compare to >1200lb for an ICE driveline) plus the weight of the inverter, sturdier frame, more room, motors, heavier axles, wheels, tires, and brakes. I'd estimate a 1500 series pickup with BEV propulsion suitable for 8,000lb (med) towing, or 2,000lb cargo capacity, is going to be 2,000+ lb heavier.

Perhaps Tesla could make a Ute/Elky BEV, but a real truck is going to be too expensive and less capable than an ICE variant.
 

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I've often thought that a turbo iron block I4 and dual Voltec 120kW electric motors would be interesting when combined with 40kWh of battery.

322 peak EV hp, augmented by 200 available ICE hp, with 50 miles of EV range would only add about 400lb at most to a 4x4 V8 configuration. You lose the transfer case, the transmission, driveshaft, and heavier V8/V6, gain efficiency so less fuel weight to do the same work. Then you gain 700lb of battery, and the electric motors and inverter.
 

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Curious: When another car maker puts out a concept it's car porn. In this case are you guys taking this more seriously?
 

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Curious: When another car maker puts out a concept it's car porn. In this case are you guys taking this more seriously?
If they were selling a (arrgghh) 'compelling' work truck that was EREV or BEV, I'd have one already. Via Motors missed the mark.

Tesla's Semi-truck is:

A) Not an original idea for a useful Class 8 truck. There are in use in California and have been for nearly a decade.
https://www.autoblog.com/2011/07/22/balqon-shows-off-long-range-electric-xr-e20-heavy-duty-truck/
https://www.greentechmedia.com/arti...c-truck-90-mile-range-fully-loaded#gs.HGbrCz4
B) Useless for interstate hauling. Believe or not, weight is critical. Every pound of battery is a pound of cargo you cannot haul.
C) Even if the costs were identical, the diesel would win. Because both weight and time are money. Class 8 tech didn't halt in 2000. It is getting better every year.
 

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If they were selling a (arrgghh) 'compelling' work truck that was EREV or BEV, I'd have one already. Via Motors missed the mark.
Were you planning a fleet buy?

So.... restated, is this "if" any more substantial that any other?


Just fer lookin at

A pickup version of a Model S doesn't strike me as particularly compelling. Image and branding is part of it. Tesla's reliability rating for me is a bigger issue. When I haul stuff or go off-road I want to feel like my truck is up to the task.
 

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A pickup version of a Model S doesn't strike me as particularly compelling. Image and branding is part of it. Tesla's reliability rating for me is a bigger issue. When I haul stuff or go off-road I want to feel like my truck is up to the task.
I think many of those who buy a pickup as a "lifestyle fashion statement" rather than as a working pickup would be interested in a Tesla truck. After all, it's about image rather than utility at that point. Driving a truck is not the same as needing a truck for those folks.
 

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A lot of folks (including me) have a pickup as a 2nd vehicle. I use it for light hauling....picking up mulch for the garden beds, taking yard debris to the landfill, etc. I'd love to have a phev light truck.
 

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A truck would be a spare vehicle in our household. It has to be able to do 1000 mile days, tow a trailer, and haul motorcycles. I think we are a ways away from doing that with a ev. Maybe with a phev, but even then it's going to be tough. It would need between 60-100kwh pack and say 300 hp ic for pulling over the Rockies and less than $50k. I like my electric car, but having lived with it, I am not blind to the limitations of current batteries and charging networks.
 

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I think many of those who buy a pickup as a "lifestyle fashion statement" rather than as a working pickup would be interested in a Tesla truck. After all, it's about image rather than utility at that point. Driving a truck is not the same as needing a truck for those folks.
Agreed - probably 80% of pickup trucks are pavement princesses who never see much more than groceries in the back, much less a dirt road.

But the pickup truck market could be tough to crack from a marketing perspective as it's also dominated by a testosterone laden crowd, many of whom eschew anything "green" or "tree hugger" out of hand, and are notoriously skeptical about EV's in general.

Whoever does it, is going to need to do it right, and I doubt it'll be Tesla for a variety of reasons. On the flipside if it's marketed carefully with a HUGE stress towards the reduced operating costs (vs anything else - the cost of actually operating a gas pig pickup truck does legitimately bother most pickup owners), it has a chance.
 

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Were you planning a fleet buy?

So.... restated, is this "if" any more substantial that any other?


Just fer lookin at

A pickup version of a Model S doesn't strike me as particularly compelling. Image and branding is part of it. Tesla's reliability rating for me is a bigger issue. When I haul stuff or go off-road I want to feel like my truck is up to the task.
You must be too young to remember the era of the ElCamino

and the Ranchero...:)
 

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Don't tell me you see this as an El Camino. And you didn't answer the question.
Just the styling...:)...This would replace my GMC1500 gasser that I use to get the groceries or a couple of bags of feed, etc...Remember I have several 3500 4x4s for the real jobs...:)

The Volt is primarity the wife's car now and for going out to dinner, etc.

I thought the fleet buy question was directed to Qinsp
 

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Curious: When another car maker puts out a concept it's car porn. In this case are you guys taking this more seriously?
Since this looks like an Model S chopped...it is closer to reality that other car porn...remember the ElCamino and Rancheros went from design to implementation quite rapidly...:)

I am looking for whoever will sell an EV pickup or facsimile...such as the Bollinger B1 (I am on their waiting list)

IF Musk said they were going to start manufacturing these next year...I'd get on the list and expect it to be over a year late...:)...(assuming they are still in business, because they will be going to the well for more operating money)...and if someone else delivered an EV pickup before Tesla...then I'd go with that product, assuming it is NOT CRAP
 

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A lot of folks (including me) have a pickup as a 2nd vehicle. I use it for light hauling....picking up mulch for the garden beds, taking yard debris to the landfill, etc. I'd love to have a phev light truck.

Put CT6 PHEV in a GMC and ya got my vote.
 

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Since this looks like an Model S chopped...it is closer to reality that other car porn...remember the ElCamino and Rancheros went from design to implementation quite rapidly...:)

I am looking for whoever will sell an EV pickup or facsimile...such as the Bollinger B1 (I am on their waiting list)

IF Musk said they were going to start manufacturing these next year...I'd get on the list and expect it to be over a year late...:)...(assuming they are still in business, because they will be going to the well for more operating money)...and if someone else delivered an EV pickup before Tesla...then I'd go with that product, assuming it is NOT CRAP
Well, I guess I can see some El Camino size comparison. Not quite a Silverado - maybe a Colorado. I don't see this replacing your Duramax.

It's probably more of a Model X chopped. I surely don't see it as either a hauler or an off-roader. Most of the Silverados at the dealer aren't haulers either. The beds are too short. This is how mine looks (add chrome tube side assist steps, window tint, 4X4 decals, raised white outline tires [old school] and a soft tonneau cover).



8-foot bed.
 
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