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Stellantis Closing Plant, Needs $ for EV Development

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Mary Barra started GM's belt tightening years ago to help fund it's massive EV push. She closed all overseas money losers (all where except China), and closed some excess capacity in the US as well.

It looks like Stellantis joins Ford in being slower to react and both are now trying to come up with development dollars. Ford recently shut down it's autonomous vehicle efforts to help free up the money for its EV efforst and Stellantis is now closing a Jeep Cherokee SUV plant in Illinois to raise EV money.

the most impactful challenge is the increasing cost related to the electrification of the automotive market."

Stellantis has said it will invest over 30 billion euros ($31.6 billion) through 2025 on electrifying its vehicle lineup. It also has said it expects EVs to make up 100% of its sales in Europe and 50% in the United States by 2030.
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Wow. Same folks who were telling us all along that traditional ICE vehicles will continue to be built alongside EVs, now completely nonchalant about traditional vehicle plant shutdowns. Now the manufacturers were just "slow to react". Can't expect those ICE jobs to stick around forever. Oops, never mind about what we said before.

Sorry Belvedere, you were once a Chrysler plant that became a Jeep plant when Chrysler bought Jeep from AMC. You survived Daimler Chrysler and up to now, Stellantis. Beginning in 1965, you made Plymouths, then K-Cars, Neons, Jeep Compasses, Patriots and currently Wagoneers. Affordable cars that kept Illinois and Wisconsin residents employed in UAW and white collar jobs.

Sorry about the lost jobs, we have to invest in the green future these folks never wanted or asked for. Well, the state of Illinois would have killed Belvedere sooner or later through regulations and taxes. Why does Illinois hate the middle class. As well, seemingly our current DC administration. Oh, but there is a marvelous new green economy coming. Tell the kids they can wait for dinner.
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Was it "they" or "them" or "I heard" who said this? Inquiring minds want to know.
I can't find the post, but I remember it well. It ought to be quite familiar.
Sorry about the lost jobs, we have to invest in the green future these folks never wanted or asked for.
Slight modification to my previous post. Lots of Belvedere employees, Illinoisans, Wisconsinites and UAW members, are Democrats. They got the green future they voted for.

And as regards Illinois wanting to kill Belvedere with regulations, I will let the Illinois General Assembly speak for itself.

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Stellantis has found itself trying to catch up to the competition on EV development. To do that they need to tighten their belt and look at where they have excess. That translates into plant closings, re-prioritizing product development, etc. Trying to blame their EV development catch up efforts on Illinois, unions, Democrats, etc. is just you throwing mud. You might as well blame Tesla and Musk.
I regret that you think of my comments that way. Certainly nothing of the kind is intended. I didn't blame unions or Democrats for anything. They are implementing the policies their constituents voted for. I just don't agree with their policies. As for Illinois, I backed it up with facts. It's not "mud throwing" if it is true.
Quoting, rom today's WSJ:

"Stellantis broke the news to workers on Friday that it will idle the Cherokee plant in February, citing “the increasing cost related to the electrification of the automotive market.” Merry Christmas! The Jeep Cherokee has been a popular model, though the plant has cut shifts since 2019.

But Stellantis, which formed through the merger of France’s PSA Group and Italian-American Fiat Chrysler, needs to come up with money to finance the more than $35 billion that it plans to invest in EVs over the next few years. Government industrial policy doesn’t give the company much of a choice.
Europe and several U.S. states have announced plans to ban the sale of new internal-combustion engine vehicles by 2035. Stellantis spent $2.4 billion to buy regulatory credits from Tesla between 2019 and 2021 to comply with green mandates. The Biden fuel economy mandates could force it to spend more unless it ramps up EV production.

The Inflation Reduction Act’s generous credits for battery production and EV buyers are modestly easing the costs of this government-forced transition. Many auto makers currently use profits from gas-powered SUVs and trucks to subsidize EVs that are losing money. They hope that sweetened government subsidies will eventually make EVs profitable, but in the meantime companies need to choose where to make investments and where to cut back.

Liberals pretend that the transition to EVs won’t come at a cost to workers or businesses. But taxpayers won’t foot the entire bill, which could cost hundreds of billions of dollars industrywide. Workers at Stellantis’s Cherokee plant are the collateral damage of this government-forced reallocation of capital. We’re waiting for Sens. Sherrod Brown and Bernie Sanders to plead for the workers here. The United Auto Workers is denouncing Stellantis for laying off workers. “Not allocating new product to plants like Belvidere is unacceptable,” UAW President Ray Curry said. What did he expect? The union backed stricter fuel economy mandates and the IRA subsidies, even though its own studies showed the shift to EVs could cost 35,000 jobs.

Technological change disrupts markets and leads to some job gains and losses. But the problem here is that government is overriding market forces and picking the winners and losers. Auto makers’ enormous investments in EVs are largely being driven by political choices, not consumer choice. Politicians in Washington and state capitals, not business owners or executives, are calling the shots. Labor dislocations caused by government climate subsidies and mandates will play out across the economy in the coming years. At least in the current tight labor market, most workers who lose their jobs can probably find new ones, though they may be lower-paying or require moving. But when government picks winners and losers, there are almost always more of the latter. The politicians don’t tell you about those." Unquote.

Posting this so that everyone understands that the choices being made are government choices, not consumer choices. I think our basic disagreement is whether government, or instead, consumers, should be picking winners and losers.
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"Same folks who were telling us all along that traditional ICE vehicles will continue to be built alongside EVs, now completely nonchalant about traditional vehicle plant shutdowns."
Nothing to back up that statement but you later seem imply that I am to blame for Stellantis making a business decision? or something?
I found the previous statement. It's on this page. And no, I never implied you are to blame.

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