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The article suggests the upcoming Cadillac XT4 may have a turbocharged 2 liter ICE and a plug. This sounds a lot like the CT-6 hybrid powertrain. Coming out in late 2018 also makes sense as this about the time GM is expected to reach their 200,000 unit breakpoint, after which the Federal tax credit begins to diminish, but there's no limit on the number of vehicles GM could apply this diminishing credit to.

http://www.hybridcars.com/cadillac-xt4-spy-photos-hint-at-plug-in-hybrid-powertrain/
 

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That's actually awesome, only question is price, the PHEV version of the CT6 commands a $20K premium over the base CT6...
 

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I'm in...if it's around $50k and the cargo area doesn't have the CT6 lump of a battery in the back.

Or...maybe they are putting in that little flap on the fender cover to get the rest of the auto manufacturers to think this is a hybrid and coerce them to get into the game. They could just as easily not put in that flap to hide the fact it was electric.

If steve jobs built an EV while he was alive, he would have put on fake tailpipes and made it look like a small schoolbus to hide the real body underneath
 

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This second set of spy shots is consistent with the first, both showing what appears to be a plug port. Seems to be the SUV that everyone says will be a huge hit.

That's actually awesome, only question is price, the PHEV version of the CT6 commands a $20K premium over the base CT6...
That's a terrible comparison. After rebates the hybrid is cheaper than a similarly equipped CT6. Even if you ignore the back seat infotainment systems which seem a stretch. The rest of the stuff is what you'd expect on a car like the CT6.
 

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This second set of spy shots is consistent with the first, both showing what appears to be a plug port. Seems to be the SUV that everyone says will be a huge hit.

That's a terrible comparison. After rebates the hybrid is cheaper than a similarly equipped CT6. Even if you ignore the back seat infotainment systems which seem a stretch. The rest of the stuff is what you'd expect on a car like the CT6.
How do yo come up with the options and numbers that show this? The base CT6 is $54k. The CT6 plugin is $75k. If you consider the fed tax credit, that drops it down to $67.5k. I'm not sure what options you have to add to the base CT6 to make it similarly equipped, but it doesn't matter to me. If I wanted an icer CT6, I'd probably get the base model as it still is a cadillac, with all the normal luxuries like power windows, power seats, etc.
 

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This second set of spy shots is consistent with the first, both showing what appears to be a plug port. Seems to be the SUV that everyone says will be a huge hit.

That's a terrible comparison. After rebates the hybrid is cheaper than a similarly equipped CT6. Even if you ignore the back seat infotainment systems which seem a stretch. The rest of the stuff is what you'd expect on a car like the CT6.
This is reality, I understand what you're saying, that the base ICE CT6 has less amenities than the PHEV CT6 there's still a $20K delta...Three Caddy models start at under $40K, you have to spend nearly double that to get a Caddy with a plug...
 

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So where do we think an XT4 plugin wood be priced? I'm guessing $75k because all other caddies with a plug came in at $75k (ELR, CT6 plugin). I hope they surprise us and it's $50k before tax credit. I also hope it's the CT6 drivetrain (little turbo 4 banger with Voltec goodies). If it ends up being a BEV, here's hoping for 180+ miles of range. It better have AWD.
 

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How do yo come up with the options and numbers that show this? The base CT6 is $54k. The CT6 plugin is $75k. If you consider the fed tax credit, that drops it down to $67.5k. I'm not sure what options you have to add to the base CT6 to make it similarly equipped, but it doesn't matter to me. If I wanted an icer CT6, I'd probably get the base model as it still is a cadillac, with all the normal luxuries like power windows, power seats, etc.
I have trouble responding to this. The CT6 is a road warrior. You want it for long drives, not trips to the grocery store. If you don't care about ACC or enhanced night vision or better performance I don't think you want a CT6 in the first place. What you're calling standard luxuries come standard on a Cruze. But if you do, then, if you add the options that come standard with the CT6 (excluding the rear seat infotainment system which is likely not a huge advantage unless you have kids), then the CT6 hybrid costs less than the CT6 which comes with those options, after tax credits.

So where do we think an XT4 plugin wood be priced? I'm guessing $75k because all other caddies with a plug came in at $75k (ELR, CT6 plugin). I hope they surprise us and it's $50k before tax credit. I also hope it's the CT6 drivetrain (little turbo 4 banger with Voltec goodies). If it ends up being a BEV, here's hoping for 180+ miles of range. It better have AWD.
Forget the plug. Look at the trim levels. The Platinum CT6 is $89K and the Luxury CT6 is $66K - $69K. The Platinum XT5 is $64K and the Luxury XT5 is $46K-$53K. I'd assume the XT4 would slot in below the XT5 and, if the pricing of the CT6 holds, the hybrid would fit in the Luxury trim level.

Not sure I'd describe an engine delivering 432 lb-feet of torque as "a little four banger". LOL
 

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This second set of spy shots is consistent with the first, both showing what appears to be a plug port. Seems to be the SUV that everyone says will be a huge hit.

That's a terrible comparison. After rebates the hybrid is cheaper than a similarly equipped CT6. Even if you ignore the back seat infotainment systems which seem a stretch. The rest of the stuff is what you'd expect on a car like the CT6.
If you're referring to tax credits then this may not be a valid statement when the CT6-EV is released. GM is starting to close in on the 200,000 PHEV mark.
 

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If you're referring to tax credits then this may not be a valid statement when the CT6-EV is released. GM is starting to close in on the 200,000 PHEV mark.
It is available now in Cali, Arizona, Georgia and a few other states. Plus, there was a misprint where it was listed as being sold in Arkansas, but that was just some idiot who mixed up the 2 letter abbreviations. if I want one, I can easily pick one up by hopping onto a plane to visit my daughter and drive one home.
 

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I have trouble responding to this. The CT6 is a road warrior. You want it for long drives, not trips to the grocery store. If you don't care about ACC or enhanced night vision or better performance I don't think you want a CT6 in the first place. What you're calling standard luxuries come standard on a Cruze. But if you do, then, if you add the options that come standard with the CT6 (excluding the rear seat infotainment system which is likely not a huge advantage unless you have kids), then the CT6 hybrid costs less than the CT6 which comes with those options, after tax credits.

Forget the plug. Look at the trim levels. The Platinum CT6 is $89K and the Luxury CT6 is $66K - $69K. The Platinum XT5 is $64K and the Luxury XT5 is $46K-$53K. I'd assume the XT4 would slot in below the XT5 and, if the pricing of the CT6 holds, the hybrid would fit in the Luxury trim level.

Not sure I'd describe an engine delivering 432 lb-feet of torque as "a little four banger". LOL
I want the CT6 plugin for the EV-ness and the extra passenger space as the Cruze and volt are small cars, barely enough room for the family, and definitely not comfortable for long road trips. I'm old school, want to drive my own car. the ACC and automatic parking features scare me. Maybe over time I'll get over it. Decades ago I didn't like anti-brake locks (the feeling when the ABS kicks in and the car just keeps going - where you are certain you could stop faster and still have control if you didnt' have ABS) but now I'm very comfortable with them.

As for the 4 banger comment, the CTS has a turbo 4 banger with electric boost. You can't tell me it's a V6 or V8, it has 4 cylinders. I know, it performs like a V8, but I'm affectionately calling it 4 banger. All they have to do is put this drivetrain into an XLR or something even more exotic (alike the NSX or FORD GT) and add AWD and I'd be in seventh heaven. Similarly, I'd pay good money for CT6 mode in my volt, just spit in this different software and give me ice and electric combined HP for increadible 0-60 times.
 

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What I'm wondering is if a powerful plug-in hybrid powertrain is used in a Cadillac, how much longer before we see a more mundane plug-in powertrain in the Equinox? An Equinox with a Voltec transmission coupled to a normally aspirated 1.8 liter ICE as in the Malibu Hybrid but with the larger Volt battery could be a pretty sweet vehicle.
 
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