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Spark EV Tire Rotation...Not!

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I posted this on the Spark EV Forum but since it doesn't get a lot of love (not many of us out in the wild!) I thought I'd post it here too to get some feedback.

I have two 2015 Spark EV's and I love them - also have a 2016 Volt-also love it. For months I've been receiving numerous email and U.S.Mail from the dealers I got the Spark EV's from reminding me that at 7,500 miles I need to have the tires rotated. At that mileage I made an appointment for the one that reached 7500 first. Took it to the dealership and the Service Advisor came out and said the front and rear tires on the Spark EV are different sizes so they can't be rotated. I think the Owners Manual even says to get a tire rotation every 7500 miles. Something is wrong here - can the right and left tires (front and back) be moved to the other side? Is that the tire rotation that I should have had or are the dealers and Owners Manual just plain wrong? Or was the SA just plain wrong?

Front: 185/55R15 82T
Back: 195/55R15 85T
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So if the front and rears are different sizes AND they are directional, then you cannot rotate them (un pictured option F)

When I first bought my BMW 535i, the owners manual said to not rotate the tires at all claiming that the camber was setup to have a certain stance for the fronts different than the rears and rotating would cause the steel belts to shift around. that didn't stop the dealership from asking me if I wanted my tires rotated. So for decades I did not rotate my BMW a tires and carried this over to my CTS and Deville (gift car from my dad). But with the volt and my daughter's Subaru I have returned to rotations. I'm not sure it really helps all that much. Rotations sometimes helps hide any alignment problems are you keep moving a new tire in place where one might be gradually wearing faster than another. Really bad alignment problems will shred a tire in no time flat. The corners of the fronts will wear if you like to take curves fast, and if you lead foot with the traction control off, the drive wheels will wear quickly

I've been rotating my volt because everyone says to on this forum. I'm doing it on the Subaru because it's AWD system needs all for wheels about the same. Now that I'm past 2 years of volt ownership and no longer hypermiling, I'm thinking of taking one for the team and trying a round of no rotations. I just recently rotated my 2nd set of tires at 45k miles. What do you say, should I take one for the team in the interest of science?
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My recommendation is to evaluate how far you travel and the type of driving you do before deciding for tire rotations. I travel few miles a week, mostly on straight paved roads and concrete highways at low speeds, so I never had to rotate my tires. My Equinox still has two original factory-mounted tires since 2009 because they are still good. The other two were replaced due to sidewall tears which are not repairable.

It is a pain for vehicles that have different rim sizes between the front and rear wheels, but if you are a careful driver, you can wear down your tires evenly, such that you only need to replace the two front tires after a long period (over 10,000 miles), and the two rear tires later. But if you wish to rotate all four, you will have to buy two new wheel hubs and have all four the same size. Some Chevy Corvette ownes have done this, and those are really huge hubs and tires! But you will save in the long term.

I read some time ago that Michelin is developing a new tire and wheel system, such that the wear is done on a smaller, cheaper replaceable thread piece, and the rest (including the sidewalls) is part of the wheels. This can reduce tire costs, and eliminate the environmental problem of piles of used tires that only have a worn thread, yet the whole tire is discarded. And this is a BEV's biggest expense!
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Tire rotations are done for tire life, they wear longer, but if you go too long between rotations it might be unsafe to rotate them.

Rotating side to side isn't going to benefit at all unless you turn more one direction (oval track racing for example
) or like to burn out and one wheel slips more than the other.

Front tires wear out faster in most cars, so if you wait too long to rotate them they might be significantly worse traction, and when rotated to the back they could cause an oversteer condition.

Better traction tires should always be on the rear of any car regardless of driven wheels. Much safer. I have known many people ending up in a ditch disregarding this advice.

OP, just skip the tire rotations and replace all 4 when worn.
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If what I'm reading above is factual, different width/height from front to back and the tires are directional, rotating is out of the question.
it's not the tires, it's the rims are different. Rear won't fit the front on my espark. (great car, tho)
OK, from the responses - thank you BTW - I should not rotate the tires. Can someone define the difference between non-directional and directional tires for me. Thank you.
OK, from the responses - thank you BTW - I should not rotate the tires. Can someone define the difference between non-directional and directional tires for me. Thank you.
On the sidewall of the tire, it has arrows on it indicating the intended direction for the rotation of the tire. Some have a tread pattern that works better at pushing water away when going one direction vs. another. I had directional tires on my Deville, and when the dealer rotated my tires without me asking them to, on rain the car drove horribly. My wife complained to me and I checked and found them mismatched. I complained and the dealer gave me a free oil change as a result. Most directional tires will have a V pattern in the tread instead of a wave pattern
I swapped the stock LRR tires for directional 'ultra performance' tires within the first month of owing my '14 Spark EV.
So, No Tire Rotations for me....

Lots of performance cars are like that.
The Spark EV is a performance car!

I saved the stock tires for a later date.
I swapped the stock LRR tires for directional 'ultra performance' tires within the first month of owing my '14 Spark EV.
So, No Tire Rotations for me....

Lots of performance cars are like that.
The Spark EV is a performance car!

I saved the stock tires for a later date.
Norton--what specific performance tires did you buy? After my 2014 Spark EV dealer tires (Ecopia) wore out far too quickly (8500 miles), I purchased Michelin Premier A/S 195/55R15s for all four of my Spark EV wheels even though the front wheels are slightly smaller and Chevy recommends 185's for them. It took America's Tires a couple of tries to get the wheels back on correctly when they put on the new tires since they didn't realize that the front wheels were smaller and needed to be kept in front. The Michelins worked out very well, and having all four tires the same means you can actually do a true tire rotation, but you must rotate only the tires, not the wheels, so it takes more work.
>Norton--what specific performance tires did you buy? After my 2014 Spark EV dealer tires (Ecopia) wore out far too quickly (8500 miles), ...
>> having all four tires the same means you can actually do a true tire rotation, but you must rotate only the tires, not the wheels, so it takes more work.
>8500 miles !! Sounds like someone is really enjoying their new little EV Hot Rod !!!;)
I bought some 'ultra performance AS' Kumho tires that tirerack had on sale for $300 for a set.

>>It's the offset of the front and rear wheel dimensions that are different. That must have been funny at the tire store.... They did a TPMS re-learn, right?
Are you really going to pay to have the tires remounted every 7500 miles? This is just to theoretically even out wear.
Those little tires are going to wear no matter what you do, especially when you "put the spurs to it, Chuck!"
I may swap my fronts left and right. I flog it on the clover leafs and it shows on the left front.
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