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https://www.greencarreports.com/new...st-charging-standard-used-by-us-german-makers

One more nail in CHAdeMO's coffin IMO.
CCS adopters:
- BMW
- VW
- GM
- Mercedes
- Honda
- Hyundai/Kia (just a matter of time till Kia phases out CHAdeMO completely)
- Ford

CHAdeMO:
- Nissan/Renault
- Mitsubishi (pretty much Nissan)
- Toyota?

Then there's Tesla with their proprietary standard.
So basically Japan's CHAdeMO vs the rest of the world.
 

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I'd think this is expected but likely not a big deal. I also don't think it's CHAdeMO versus the world. The US and the EU have essentially gone to CCS. China has its own standard. And of course Japan will stay with CHAdeMO. However, the CHAdeMO/CCS combo chargers make the the standard less important. It doesn't add much cost to make a charging station which can support both standards, and it's easy for the user. If you have a car that needs CHAdeMO just pick the CHAdeMO cord. If you have a car that supports CCS just pick the CCS cord. If this wasn't a choice then I'd agree that CHAdeMO would be dead, and it might still be given it's lower charging rates, but the dual standard chargers means that result is foreordained.
 

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Combo chargers will eventually fade out, too. As charger kW ramps up, even if Chademo's standards can keep up, the expense of having two heads and two cables for every single charge station will continue to go up. Jeff's article yesterday showed how complex the heads and cables are for ultra-fast DCFCs. Water-cooled head and cables. special low-resistance connectors. Duplicating that set up at every station just to accommodate the Chademo vehicles will get to be both old and expensive. Chargepoint, EVgo, etc. will not include it and Chademo will whither on the vine. CCS is better for the auto manufacturers, too. It is less expensive to install and more compact, as just adds the two DC ports to the the L2 J1772 charge port. It uses the same comm ports and cables. Less hardware, less cabling, less software.
 

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Combo chargers will eventually fade out, too. As charger kW ramps up, even if Chademo's standards can keep up, the expense of having two heads and two cables for every single charge station will continue to go up.
Yes, supporting two charging standards and two sets of hardware is silly and a cost driver. Not to mention the "average" driver getting confused at why they can't charge at every station where there aren't dual heads. The sooner we eliminate that kind of stuff in the US and EU, the better for electric vehicle adoption.
 

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Yes, supporting two charging standards and two sets of hardware is silly and a cost driver. Not to mention the "average" driver getting confused at why they can't charge at every station where there aren't dual heads. The sooner we eliminate that kind of stuff in the US and EU, the better for electric vehicle adoption.
To think Tesla is going to start ANOTHER proprietary standard with the Semi "Megachargers". :rolleyes:

For EVs to ever truly go mainstream, we need to settle on a single standard. At least on a by-country basis.
 
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