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It's even more hideous looking in person. Seriously, The Homer looks stately next to that thing. I love what Toyota has been doing with their HCV technology but, seriously if you don't put this thing in the right wrapper nobody is going to buy it!


One other thing that intrigued me was the amount of water "exhaust" it was expelling. Seems like a waste to me, at least mist it and use it on the heat exchangers for the drive motor or AC.
 

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It's even more hideous looking in person. Seriously, The Homer looks stately next to that thing. I love what Toyota has been doing with their HCV technology but, seriously if you don't put this thing in the right wrapper nobody is going to buy it!


One other thing that intrigued me was the amount of water "exhaust" it was expelling. Seems like a waste to me, at least mist it and use it on the heat exchangers for the drive motor or AC.
Well, HFCs generate heat, so expelling the water will also help cool the car.
 

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It's ugly and slow, but it now has an incredible lease offer...Even includes free fuel (capped at $15000/3 year lease)...Often touted on here is "I don't care about looks" and that range trumps all...Well, why settle for ONLY the Bolts 312 miles of range and deal with upping your electric bill? (while offpeak is cheap, it's not cheaper than free, then if you have solar panels, put that juice back to the grid and collect on net metering)...If one doesn't care about looks and cares about a green car having range, it would actually be cheaper for most to get a Mirai, more range, free fuel, faster "recharging" and they all including all the safety features along with ACC...
 

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It's ugly and slow, but it now has an incredible lease offer...Even includes free fuel (capped at $15000/3 year lease)...Often touted on here is "I don't care about looks" and that range trumps all...Well, why settle for ONLY the Bolts 312 miles of range and deal with upping your electric bill? (while offpeak is cheap, it's not cheaper than free, then if you have solar panels, put that juice back to the grid and collect on net metering)...If one doesn't care about looks and cares about a green car having range, it would actually be cheaper for most to get a Mirai, more range, free fuel, faster "recharging" and they all including all the safety features along with ACC...
That assumes you have access to hydrogen. Just sayin'.
 

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Very true although it's been stated that half of all EVs are sold in California (and obviously being a Cali resident alone doesn't guarantee you're in a close enough radius to a hydrogen station) so if the trend continues with the Bolt EV than descent odds you are near one...
 

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It's ugly and slow, but it now has an incredible lease offer...Even includes free fuel (capped at $15000/3 year lease)...
It's not such a great deal once you consider the down. It would have be be another $100/$150 less per month to be competitive with the Volt. FYI with net metering you get paid at the wholesale rate overage, which is not very much.
 

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It's not such a great deal once you consider the down. It would have be be another $100/$150 less per month to be competitive with the Volt. FYI with net metering you get paid at the wholesale rate overage, which is not very much.
The advertised lease for the Mirai, $2,499 down and $349/mo x 36 but you can get $5000 back from Cali...$10069 total, before TTL and incentives...

Advertised lease for the Volt $2,109 down and $299/mo x 39 (will do 36 to be fair) and $1500 back from Cali...$11373 total, before TTL and incentives...

While insurance and registrations costs will likely cost more on the Mirai, you also get free fuel...With net metering it varies by state but the Mirai is only avail in Cali so even at wholesale rates, you get money back...
 

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I don't know what the current state of Hydrogen stations are, but a few years ago there were only 2 or 3 filling stations in California, and non of them generated the full pressure to fully fill the tank of the vehicle, so the range was .5x of that it should be. I assume these issues have been corrected, or have they?......

The question I ask is why would you want to drive to a filling station when you could just fill up your vehicle with electrons from the comfort of your own home every night? Of course many people, especially in the city, don't live in a home with their own dedicated parking area with a plug. But many people do live in single family homes with garages and ELECTRICITY! that's a no brainer, plug in, or GET OUT!

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The advertised lease for the Mirai, $2,499 down and $349/mo x 36 but you can get $5000 back from Cali...$10069 total, before TTL and incentives...

Advertised lease for the Volt $2,109 down and $299/mo x 39 (will do 36 to be fair) and $1500 back from Cali...$11373 total, before TTL and incentives...
On the Mirai, I think it's more like $5K down (that is what I've seen). On the Volt, you can get $5K off MSRP, which reduces the monthly to more like $150/month. Because I have several hydrogen stations near me, at some number I'd likely consider the Mirai. But the current numbers, while good, aren't all that enticing IMO. So a good deal but not a screaming deal.

I don't know what the current state of Hydrogen stations are, but a few years ago there were only 2 or 3 filling stations in California, and non of them generated the full pressure to fully fill the tank of the vehicle, so the range was .5x of that it should be. I assume these issues have been corrected, or have they?......
There are at least two and maybe three near me so I'm thinking things have changed considerably.
 

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That assumes you have access to hydrogen. Just sayin'.
Yep. Around here n S. Ca where hydrogen was supposed to be taking off, those that leased Hyundais couldn't fuel their cars. Fueling stations were constantly down, and when working, the high pressure pumps weren't capable of completely filling tanks due to the pumps fading on hot days. Hydrogen is just an attempt to keep people sucking on the service station teet IMO.

We don't yet have an adequate supply of hydrogen without making it from natural gas using a signifiant amount of electricity to do so.
Looks like hydrogen tech could be promising for large transport trucks, but I don't think it's as practical as electric for autos
 
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