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My 2017 Volt LT was delivered today to the dealership and I guess I had just assumed that with a reverse camera, it'd also come with reverse parking sensors. My 2013 Volt has them, so I figured it was the norm. I was kind of bummed that now I have the cool reverse camera with the actual lines, but no sensors... especially since I almost ran into something when backing up, expecting the warning! (yep, felt like an idiot when the wife acted like I didn't know how to drive. Ugh)

Is it possible to add the reverse sensors after he fact, on an LT? I don't want the lane departure or even front parking sensors. Just the reverse...
 

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Have you confirmed there are no sensors in the rear bumper and that you haven't just accidentally turned them off?
 

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Yep, it looks like it's not a part of the LT model. Rear Parking Assist is standard on the Premium and not an option on LT.

I'm really bummed.. that's extremely useful. I guess once you have something and it disappears, you don't realize it until it's gone!
Just like the LT has a manual rearview mirror and only Premium has the Auto-Dimming one. Another "seriously?" moment for me.

Even worse, I thought the LT with Leather Seat package and Comfort Package added Heated Rear seats as well! To find just Heated Front seats and the Heated Steering wheel... even my salesperson was confused, until we opened the order form again! So pissed...
 

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Yes you can, cheapest way is installing it yourself but you could pay someone to do it...Several forum members and I have bought used self-dimming and homelinked Gentex mirrors for $35 shipped on ebay...Very easy to install yet if that's not for you, consider going to a car stereo shop...One member reported his local best buy charged him $25 to install the mirror...Car stereo shops can also install the parking sensors...One near me actually advertises $100 installed...There's also craigslist where maybe someone will come to your house and do it for you...
 

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If you don't like the car don't buy it. Dealership will gladly sell you a car with more stuff! Dealership should help you find your car out of inventory. If not available, they should order another. They get paid to do this.
 

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If you don't like the car don't buy it. Dealership will gladly sell you a car with more stuff! Dealership should help you find your car out of inventory. If not available, they should order another. They get paid to do this.
Good point however he bought the car already...
 

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My general philosophy in buying a new car: load it up. some of the new options are kind of silly: ambient lighting, port lighting. sound system beyond a pretty decent stock system and navigation seem extra. but outside of those, I dont think most people would have many regrets and it has a whole lot more resale appeal with them.
 

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My general philosophy in buying a new car: load it up. some of the new options are kind of silly: ambient lighting, port lighting. sound system beyond a pretty decent stock system and navigation seem extra. but outside of those, I dont think most people would have many regrets and it has a whole lot more resale appeal with them.
That's an interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I'm of the exact opposite philosophy. I'm always about getting the fewest options possible. I've noticed that in my experiences, buyers of my car want the car, and don't really nitpick about this option or that accessory. The only option I've consistently sprung for is a set of factory alloy wheels, if the car comes standard with hubcaps. And even then I'd buy it afterwards from a private party rather than from the dealer. That one fairly inexpensive change does a lot to enhance curb appeal.

Otherwise most options are overpriced and just great profit centers for the maker/dealer and give me little in return upon resale.

With all that said, my LT has leather because the cloth seats didn't seem durable in my eyes (I've never bought a car with leather until now) and I was willing to toss a few bucks in for the kinetic blue paint, since that's the color that initially caught my eye when I first saw the Gen 2. All the other options were items I negotiated out of the price of the car, since I bought it straight off the lot from the dealer inventory.
 

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well, in sunny California, heated this and that probably doesnt sound interesting but up here it is a deal breaker. backup camera is mandatory in my eyes but the cars come with them now and not part of a safety package. as well auto dimming mirrors. and defrosted mirrors and a whole bunch of other equipment.

but times have changed as a whole lot more standard equipment makes options a smaller issue. on a Volt this this is even more so. I would still have a tough time with just a base model though. But let's say I was buying a Cruz. I would probably check every box before I bought the car.
 

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Good point however he bought the car already...
and most Chevy salesmen are completely ignorant of anything on the Volt, at least here in the midwest. They don't have to sell Volts, people who want one already know what they want and people that don't aren't going to be "pushed up" into a Volt. Most dealers have a Volt Specialist who may know a little more, but in the 4 dealers I went to I only spoke to the specialist once.
 

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When I finally ordered my car last December, I knew exactly what it was (and was not) going to come with. The 2017 ordering info was published on here a long time ago, so if you were surprised by your car's content, or lack thereof, it's completely on you. And JMO, but I'm thrilled with the fabric seats and manually-dimmed inside mirror in my LT. Normally I'm a gimme-the-options kind of guy, but I'm so sick of leather seats that are hot in the summer and cold in the winter that I went with the LT instead. The manual mirror was just icing on the cake for me. The only thing that I would have gotten (if it was available on an LT) is NAV, but I would have soon regretted wasting the money as it turns out we're not going to be using the Volt for trips. We already have a better car for that, and it has NAV.

I just finished reading a thread somewhere on here where there were people complaining about the wrinkled leather on their brand new seats. One guy drove his car home from taking delivery and when he got out, there the wrinkles were. He posted photos, and the wrinkles were quite severe. Then others chimed in as well. I haven't seen any complaints about the fabric seats yet, and mine seem as though they will probably hold up even better than the fabric seats in my '11 Golf, which still look like new at 89,000 miles.
 

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My general philosophy in buying a new car: load it up. some of the new options are kind of silly: ambient lighting, port lighting. sound system beyond a pretty decent stock system and navigation seem extra. but outside of those, I dont think most people would have many regrets and it has a whole lot more resale appeal with them.
That's an interesting perspective, thanks for sharing. I'm of the exact opposite philosophy. I'm always about getting the fewest options possible. I've noticed that in my experiences, buyers of my car want the car, and don't really nitpick about this option or that accessory. The only option I've consistently sprung for is a set of factory alloy wheels, if the car comes standard with hubcaps. And even then I'd buy it afterwards from a private party rather than from the dealer. That one fairly inexpensive change does a lot to enhance curb appeal.

Otherwise most options are overpriced and just great profit centers for the maker/dealer and give me little in return upon resale.

With all that said, my LT has leather because the cloth seats didn't seem durable in my eyes (I've never bought a car with leather until now) and I was willing to toss a few bucks in for the kinetic blue paint, since that's the color that initially caught my eye when I first saw the Gen 2. All the other options were items I negotiated out of the price of the car, since I bought it straight off the lot from the dealer inventory.
I ironically agree with both of you...I'm generally all or nothing...I did get leather, comfort and Bose on mine...I saw the value in those items as leather is more durable, heated seats in Cali are not needed yet in like 2 hours you could be in the desert where it can be cold...Also the bose was only $460 and you get a subwoofer, I thought with my first EV I'd hear more outside noise so wanted to ensure I had a better stereo...I believe the optionless Premier will have the lowest resale demand, but "load it up" with C1/C2 and ACC then you're good...But the Volt historically does not have good resale value, that's why I lease, lease now and at turn in have the option to negotiate my buyout based on resale value which in for the Volt is often and a lower total price than if I originally purchased outright...
 

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But the Volt historically does not have good resale value, that's why I lease...
While not technically incorrect, isn't this generally the case for ALL electrified vehicles that qualify for the $7500 rebate? (or more if regional rebates apply)
So why "call out" the Volt?
$7500 represents ~20% of the MSRP of a myriad of PEVs available today (other than A Tesla). Which is roughly the equivalent to a 1-2 year depreciation, and resulting in the loss of that equity. THIS is the primary reason why resale values are lower for the Volt and MANY other plug-ins and something we all just have to live with. Sure 2nd owners appear to get a deal, but further depreciation doesn't seem to be the case as a 3-5 year old cars, appear to holding their value pretty well.
These cars have done nothing wrong to deserve a trumped up reputation for "low resale value"

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While not technically incorrect, isn't this generally the case for ALL electrified vehicles that qualify for the $7500 rebate? (or more if regional rebates apply)
So why "call out" the Volt?
$7500 represents ~20% of the MSRP of a myriad of PEVs available today (other than A Tesla). Which is roughly the equivalent to a 1-2 year depreciation, and resulting in the loss of that equity. THIS is the primary reason why resale values are lower for the Volt and MANY other plug-ins and something we all just have to live with. Sure 2nd owners appear to get a deal, but further depreciation doesn't seem to be the case as a 3-5 year old cars, appear to holding their value pretty well.
These cars have done nothing wrong to deserve a trumped up reputation for "low resale value"

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I got my $7500 in my pocket due to the tax credit...i'd be greatly surprised if I could get that "money" back on my trade in of my 2013...which is why it will move on to my son when he comes back from overseas so there will be room in the garage for a nice new Bolt...and yet another tax credit...and no more ERDTTs...:)
 

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While not technically incorrect, isn't this generally the case for ALL electrified vehicles that qualify for the $7500 rebate? (or more if regional rebates apply)
So why "call out" the Volt?
$7500 represents ~20% of the MSRP of a myriad of PEVs available today (other than A Tesla). Which is roughly the equivalent to a 1-2 year depreciation, and resulting in the loss of that equity. THIS is the primary reason why resale values are lower for the Volt and MANY other plug-ins and something we all just have to live with. Sure 2nd owners appear to get a deal, but further depreciation doesn't seem to be the case as a 3-5 year old cars, appear to holding their value pretty well.
These cars have done nothing wrong to deserve a trumped up reputation for "low resale value"

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Correct. The resale value starts with an automatic "loss" of the $7500 tax credit. That's on top of any usual depreciation. Some people then spin this by comparing the resale value (including the $7500 tax credit adjustment) to the full, pre-tax credit price of the car, rather than the new car price less $7500. This enables them to dishonestly or ignorantly declare the Volt has horrible depreciation.

Then you have states like Colorado that chipped in another $6,000 to the Volt buyer, reducing the effective price the buyer paid to $21.5k ($35k-$7.5k-$6k=$21.5k) The resale value will take into account the effective $13,500 discount the Volt buyers received. Yet some will erroneously claim the $13.5k represents depreciation rather than an adjustment for the actual net price of the car when new.
 

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While not technically incorrect, isn't this generally the case for ALL electrified vehicles that qualify for the $7500 rebate? (or more if regional rebates apply)
So why "call out" the Volt?
$7500 represents ~20% of the MSRP of a myriad of PEVs available today (other than A Tesla). Which is roughly the equivalent to a 1-2 year depreciation, and resulting in the loss of that equity. THIS is the primary reason why resale values are lower for the Volt and MANY other plug-ins and something we all just have to live with. Sure 2nd owners appear to get a deal, but further depreciation doesn't seem to be the case as a 3-5 year old cars, appear to holding their value pretty well.
These cars have done nothing wrong to deserve a trumped up reputation for "low resale value"

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Heh. Wasn't too long ago that this was gracing gm-volt's front page. How soon we forget.... (Volt doesn't even make it into the top ten of "worst year 1 devaluations". http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/12/23/top-10-depreciation-top-10/77796722/
 

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Heh. Wasn't too long ago that this was gracing gm-volt's front page. How soon we forget.... (Volt doesn't even make it into the top ten of "worst year 1 devaluations". http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2015/12/23/top-10-depreciation-top-10/77796722/
While I know that the Leaf doesn't have a particularly good record for value retention, I have to wonder if the only reason it made the top of that list because of the same failure to account for the Federal tax incentive.
 

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This thread should have stopped at the 5th post...
 

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and most Chevy salesmen are completely ignorant of anything on the Volt, at least here in the midwest. They don't have to sell Volts, people who want one already know what they want and people that don't aren't going to be "pushed up" into a Volt. Most dealers have a Volt Specialist who may know a little more, but in the 4 dealers I went to I only spoke to the specialist once.
No worries unless you want to hang out with car dealers to pick up chicks, improve your life and reduce your stress by buying at the many NON-local car dealers who nationally advertise their deals below invoice...


These cars have done nothing wrong to deserve a trumped up reputation for "low resale value"

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Great point, its perfect so hopefully get to 400,000 sales ASAP...
 
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