[Volterado]

Crashes into a police cruiser this time (I guess the autopilot couldn't find a fire truck).

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-tesla-collision-20180529-story.html

 

[Steverino]

The Pinto of semi-autonomous systems strikes again. I suspect there will soon be jokes about, "What do you call a Tesla driver with AutoPilot engaged?"

A crash test dummy?

"Cota said that a year ago in the same area there was another collision involving a Tesla running into a semi-truck."

Musk made a big deal about the AP have a "neural net" that would be awesome? Maybe I misunderstood.

Processing Power - “To make sense of all of this data, a new onboard computer with over 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision, sonar and radar processing software. Together, this system provides a view of the world that a driver alone cannot access, seeing in every direction simultaneously, and on wavelengths that go far beyond the human senses.”


Vision - “To make use of a camera suite this powerful, the new hardware introduces an entirely new and powerful set of vision processing tools developed by Tesla. Built on a deep neural network, Tesla Vision deconstructs the car's environment at greater levels of reliability than those achievable with classical vision processing techniques.”

Whatever, it still can't see a parked squad car or semi-truck (among other things that a driver should be able to see).

 

[Voltastic]

yeash... This is natural selection at work.... and/or a forced lawyer redefinition of "autopilot". Maybe the "more money than brains" factor? Whatever, Tesla hasn't even come close to providing what the dumbest of their customers expect.

 

[Mister Dave]

Tesla driver using Autopilot mode hits police car

The public is fighting back!

Tesla Model 3 Rear-Ended By Street Racing Camaro Driver

 

[BAZINGA]

some interesting thoughts from Tesla owners, photo's and additional commentary re /Musk/Tesla/AP/AEB etc.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...ident-title-claims-autopilot-involved.116534/

But that lane marking is odd and the driver was clearly at fault for engaging AP in that environment and did not maintain control of the vehicle.

I do like the comment(s) suggesting Tesla should "geo-fence" AP to just HIGHWAY's. That make's sense.

 

[Tacoma]

Musk made a big deal about the AP have a "neural net" that would be awesome? Maybe I misunderstood.

This is the Internet hive mind.
Right now, it mostly listens, reads and watches what you are doing.
Later, when it is driving your car, it will decide what it thinks about you

 

[obermd]

From the picture of the Tesla and police SUV it appears the Tesla Autopilot turned before the lane marking said to turn.

 

[Steverino]

the driver was clearing at fault for engaging AP

Well said. After that, the car goes into full self driving mode, at least that's what a number of Tesla owners seem to think.

 

[DonC]

I'm hoping NHTSA orders Tesla to pull AP until they revise it. I think AP can be helpful. Some of the components like emergency braking and LKA and ACC are, but the steering just isn't up to the task. More of a danger than a help. I'd be less concerned if the only people who might be killed or injured would be the Tesla drivers -- at some point you can rationalize it's a choice -- but AP also puts innocent drivers at risk, which is definitely not OK in my book. Making AP safe should not be that difficult to effectuate. Given that the problem is with autosteer, Tesla could stop the car if hands weren't on the wheel at all times or it could simply disable autosteer.

Also note that there is NO verifiable information that AP is "safer" than a human driver. Tesla won't release the data which strongly suggests that it's an unsupportable claim than anything.

 

[jcanoe]

They need to add DWTA to the list of driver citations codes.

 

[hellsop]

The public is fighting back!

Tesla Model 3 Rear-Ended By Street Racing Camaro Driver

Were the Model 3's brake lights on?

 

[jcanoe]

Were the Model 3's brake lights on?

Not according to the article. The driver of the Model 3 was traveling on the highway @ 65 mph with his family riding in the Tesla when the Model 3 was rear ended by a Camaro that was unable to slow down after street racing with a BMW M4. The Camaro driver was cited for the accident.

 

[BAZINGA]

Were the Model 3's brake lights on?

Why would he have his brake lights on? That makes no sense.

 

[srmarti]

Tesla needs to stop explaining and making excuses.

All the disclaimers and warnings in the world aren't making drivers any smarter.

Make the system more idiot resistant and do it NOW.

 

[Barry]

The media is covering these accidents closely and it is apparent that Tesla AP is far from perfect, but I have to wonder if this is biased coverage. Those who remember when airbags were new will recall the media frenzy over people who were harmed and killed by deploying airbags. You would have thought they were the worst thing to have in your car. The statistical truth was quite different, though. The number of lives saved was far greater. But the media had no interest in reporting that side of the issue. There is a similar situation with airline accidents. They get media hype, but airline travel is actually safer than alternatives.

It seems like it would be possible for a good researcher to analyze accident data across multiple brands and models and figure out if Teslas really are more dangerous overall.

 

[Mister Dave]

Were the Model 3's brake lights on?

LOL - well done!

All the disclaimers and warnings in the world aren't making drivers any smarter.

Bingo!

The media is covering these accidents closely and it is apparent that Tesla AP is far from perfect, but I have to wonder if this is biased coverage. Those who remember when airbags were new will recall the media frenzy over people who were harmed and killed by deploying airbags. You would have thought they were the worst thing to have in your car. The statistical truth was quite different, though. The number of lives saved was far greater. But the media had no interest in reporting that side of the issue. There is a similar situation with airline accidents. They get media hype, but airline travel is actually safer than alternatives.

There's a bit of a difference here. In the cases you cite the system might fail, and you're not an active participant in those cases. Tesla AP will fail, and if you do too things go bad.

 

[JRRF]

The media is covering these accidents closely and it is apparent that Tesla AP is far from perfect, but I have to wonder if this is biased coverage. Those who remember when airbags were new will recall the media frenzy over people who were harmed and killed by deploying airbags. You would have thought they were the worst thing to have in your car. The statistical truth was quite different, though. The number of lives saved was far greater. But the media had no interest in reporting that side of the issue. There is a similar situation with airline accidents. They get media hype, but airline travel is actually safer than alternatives.

Elon Musk: "Fake News"

 

[JRRF]

I do like the comment(s) suggesting Tesla should "geo-fence" AP to just HIGHWAY's. That make's sense.

This is exactly what Cadillac did with Super Cruise. It only works on a highway that the system knows about.

 

[Steverino]

This is exactly what Cadillac did with Super Cruise. It only works on a highway that the system knows about.

AND SuperCruise uses an infrared system to track the driver's head and eyes. Stop looking at the road for more than 5 seconds and the system starts aggressive alerts followed by shutdown. If shutdown happen's you must wait 10 minutes before invoking the system again.

You wont be seeing videos of SC drivers playing board games, reading a book, sitting in the passenger seat, etc. like some Tesla owners have done.


Of course Musk says eye tracking (at least Tesla's attempt) does not work. Maybe SuperCruise will fail and we will see crashes. I'm not a fan of the hands-off the wheel "feature" GM is promoting. Human reaction time is just to slow.

 

[Shivetya]

Tesla needs to OTA suspend Autopilot else they risk the NHTSA stepping in and seeing that the relationship isn't going well it would not be surprising to have the NHTSA make it painful. Painful as in require physical disablement of the AP to a stop sale. heck they have issued stop sales over reflectors being in the wrong place