[JoeReal]

Well, according to this article, the trend is going for longer mile EV range. If Nissan Leaf can't come up with more than 200 mile rabe, then it would most likely be discontinued... Of course these are just speculations from Faux News.


http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/01/29/3-car-models-that-could-get-ax-this-year.print.html

 

[DonC]

Nissan has said several times and through several peopole that the next generation (or successor) will come out "soon". Whatever it's called I think we can expect Nissan to have a BEV with longer range than the current Leaf.

 

[bro1999]

Anyways, Nissan needs the Leaf for CARB compliance.

 

[vespacarfc]

I've seen a couple of new ones around, so people are still buying them, though why, I don't know.

Cheers,
Tross

 

[Raymondjram]

I've seen a couple of new ones around, so people are still buying them, though why, I don't know.

The answer is clear now. They haven't seen the 2017 Chevy Bolt EV yet. When they do, they may return their new Leafs and get a Bolt EV.

 

[saghost]

Never gonna happen. Between CARB credits/fines and Ghosn's pro EV stance, there's no way the Leaf will be cancelled without replacement. The Bolt goes further for only a little more money, but that doesn't make it superior in every way - and Nissan could probably keep selling the current car at a reduced price if they have to. I think it's fairly likely that we'll see a next generation with twice the range instead.

 

[DonC]

The Bolt goes further for only a little more money, but that doesn't make it superior in every way

Having had a Leaf, I'm thinking it probably is! Not a high bar. Hopefully the successor will be a step up in every way.

I personally wouldn't buy another Nissan. Too many issues about the build quality. From what my car buddies tell me, and what was my experience with the Leaf, is that Nissan specializes in producing vehicles that look good in the showroom when new but are less than great under the surface. But given how many corners are cut, I'd be absolutely shocked if the Nissan BEV didn't have a cost advantage over every other BEV.

 

[bro1999]

Having had a Leaf, I'm thinking it probably is! Not a high bar. Hopefully the successor will be a step up in every way.

I personally wouldn't buy another Nissan. Too many issues about the build quality. From what my car buddies tell me, and what was my experience with the Leaf, is that Nissan specializes in producing vehicles that look good in the showroom when new but are less than great under the surface. But given how many corners are cut, I'd be absolutely shocked if the Nissan BEV didn't have a cost advantage over every other BEV.

What does the Leaf have over the Bolt, if we ignore the cost angle?

Hmm....slightly larger hatch?
Uhh.....hmm........*crickets*

 

[saghost]

What does the Leaf have over the Bolt, if we ignore the cost angle?

Hmm....slightly larger hatch?
Uhh.....hmm........*crickets*

A fancy heat pump that they claim reduces the power requirements for heating. More front leg and head room according to the specs (but less in the rear.) Actually not much else that I'm finding reading through spec sheets.

Edit: Oh, and those fancy protruding headlights. Maybe someone somewhere actually likes them?

 

[!arry4pyro]

I hope they stay in the game. It seems we are on the cusp for EV acceptance, it would be a shame for one of the leaders to give up now.

Not everyone needs a 200+ mile EV. Perhaps they should look at the market for a low cost EV for urban use. After all, if Volt drivers could cover 90% of their trips with a 53 mile range battery a 100-120 mile urban EV should work well for families with more than one car.

 

[Fyodor]

...
I personally wouldn't buy another Nissan. Too many issues about the build quality. From what my car buddies tell me, and what was my experience with the Leaf, is that Nissan specializes in producing vehicles that look good in the showroom when new but are less than great under the surface. But given how many corners are cut, I'd be absolutely shocked if the Nissan BEV didn't have a cost advantage over every other BEV.

Which kind of covers my misgivings about FCA and the Pacifica.

 

[DonC]

Which kind of covers my misgivings about FCA and the Pacifica.

Yeah, I hear you. I saw the Pacifica at the car show. The standard not the hybrid. I was overwhelmed with the space -- you could put a garage in the back -- and under whelmed with the quality. That might be me though. I had the same reaction when looking at the CT6 and the XT5. The XT5 just felt low end.

My Volt isn't luxury for sure but it's decent, it's six years old, and it's Chevy.

 

[mr_raider]

What does the Leaf have over the Bolt, if we ignore the cost angle?

Hmm....slightly larger hatch?
Uhh.....hmm........*crickets*

You can also buy a Leaf today anywhere. Bolt availability is restricted, and dealers are jacking the price up.

 

[konimail]

Having had a Leaf, I'm thinking it probably is! Not a high bar. Hopefully the successor will be a step up in every way.

I personally wouldn't buy another Nissan. Too many issues about the build quality. From what my car buddies tell me, and what was my experience with the Leaf, is that Nissan specializes in producing vehicles that look good in the showroom when new but are less than great under the surface. But given how many corners are cut, I'd be absolutely shocked if the Nissan BEV didn't have a cost advantage over every other BEV.

I share this opinion about Nissans.
To this day i hear the ugly sound of the 2008 Pathfinder in my head while it was our family hauler.
I loved the car for many other reasons, but mechanically ( being the gear head that i am ) i was seriously disappointed, starting with the engine noise ( sooo 80's like) , and ending with its lousy fuel economy of just 15 MPg ( sooo 80's like again)

The KoniVolt#1 replaced it after the transmission failed at 145,000 miles. It turned out it was a known recall ( faulty radiator leaking coolant into the transmission cooling circut) but since we were over 100k in mileage we were on our own.

 

[Jim in Tucson]

Perhaps they should look at the market for a low cost EV for urban use. After all, if Volt drivers could cover 90% of their trips with a 53 mile range battery a 100-120 mile urban EV should work well for families with more than one car.

I'd like to see an Urban Leaf about the same size as the Toyota IQ, with a 100 mile range. That would cover the 90% with plenty to spare for eliminating range anxiety.

 

[Bacardi]

It would appear to me few of you actually read the article which is an opinion piece...

There are three vehicles on the chopping block, first being our very own ICE Bolt EV, the ICE Sonic...The Bolt started on the Sonic's platform, evolved into it own platform which will turn into the Gen2 Sonic's platform...But this articles opinion piece is that it "should" go away...

Now for the Leaf in which the article starts off: "I'll take the angle of models <Leaf>that should get the ax in 2017"...Followed by an extremely narrow premise of: "unconfirmed base 2018 Nissan LEAF packing just 120 miles of range, and upgrades only pushing it to about 200 miles. With Tesla's vehicles already pushing a high-end range of over 300 miles, the LEAF is looking ancient. Add in the fact that the Chevy Bolt is in dealerships and has a 238-mile range"

So the whole premise of the article is between the 300+ mile Tesla 100D, Bolt and Leaf, just ax the weakest RANGE link of the Leaf...This is so narrow viewed, what about price? MSRP only applies to Tesla as 99% of folks are not paying MSRP for either Bolts or Leafs; pick a car website of choice such as Edmunds and get the "what are others are paying price" and a Leaf is roughly $7K less than a Bolt...Now let's widen this view even more, it's reported 55% of all EVs are leased, the Tesla doesn't lease well, the Bolt EV also currently doesn't lease well but the Leaf (and Volt) does...When factoring in leasing, you can lease a Leaf for about half the overall total costs as a Bolt EV...

Then we can dive even deeper...For many, the Leaf or a "low range" EV is a great commuter car especially if you have reliable access to free work charging...Imagine only plugging in at work, never at home and keeping your ICE vehicle for fun weekend or long distance trips...While you have additional insurance and registration expenses, you should be able to get the lowest mileage aka cheapest lease and still keep miles off your ICE vehicle...

Leaf's range could be enough for most people (just like there are folks who drive tens of thousands of EV miles Volt before a drop of gas is used outside of maintenance mode), Tesla's 300+ miles of range might not be enough for others...

 

[Ladogaboy]

More front leg and head room according to the specs (but less in the rear.) Actually not much else that I'm finding reading through spec sheets.

I'm going to have to sit in a Leaf to see for myself. The front headroom in the Bolt EV is ridiculous. I think Sasquatch could drive it.