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So I have so far talking pricing with 4 dealers and there are no deals to be had. Seems I am just not going to get a Volt.

The cars below have a MSRP at $42,005 with the options I am looking at and actually the same VIN numbered car.

Dealer 1:

Selling Price $41,004.40
Tax $1,230.13
Admin $99.00
Nitrofill $99.00
Transfer Tag $72.00
Rebate $(1,500.00)
$41,004.53

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Dealer 2:

Sale Price - Invoice $41,004.40
Bonus Tag $(1,500.00)
Tax $1,230.13
Transfer Tags $117.00
Admin. Fee $388.00
Total $41,239.53

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Dealer 3 (not in area, 200 miles away)

Selling Price $38,679.00
Freight $895.00
Tax $1,187.22
Procession Fee $689.50
Transfer Tag $231.00
Rebate $(1,500.00)
$40,181.72
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Dealer 4 on a car with MSRP of 43505

MSRP $43,505.00
Discount $(2,000.00)
Dealer Administrative Charge $649.00
tax $1,305.15
Non Tax Fees $121.60
OCP $199.00
$43,779.75
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And I have no idea what OCP is.

NUTS.
 

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Tell dealer #1 you'll buy from him if he matches dealer #3's price and he can skip the nitrogen (which has a markup of about $98 and is BS anyway). His admin fee is BS too, but it is the cheapest of the bunch.
 

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I got a quote based on 15% off MSRP in my non-CARB state. I haven't tracked the history of that one but I assume it's stale on the lot.
 

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My Gen I Volt:

I was living in Florida at the time and no dealers in the state were competing.

I got a recommendation on these forums to talk to Matick Chevrolet in Michigan.

Long story short, I flew to Michigan, drove back to Florida, and saved over $2000 after accounting for the plane and gas compared to what Florida was offering -- it was well worth it to me.
 

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So I have so far talking pricing with 4 dealers and there are no deals to be had. Seems I am just not going to get a Volt.

The cars below have a MSRP at $42,005 with the options I am looking at and actually the same VIN numbered car.

Dealer 1:

Selling Price $41,004.40
Tax $1,230.13
Admin $99.00
Nitrofill $99.00
Transfer Tag $72.00
Rebate $(1,500.00)
$41,004.53

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Dealer 2:

Sale Price - Invoice $41,004.40
Bonus Tag $(1,500.00)
Tax $1,230.13
Transfer Tags $117.00
Admin. Fee $388.00
Total $41,239.53

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Dealer 3 (not in area, 200 miles away)

Selling Price $38,679.00
Freight $895.00
Tax $1,187.22
Procession Fee $689.50
Transfer Tag $231.00
Rebate $(1,500.00)
$40,181.72
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Dealer 4 on a car with MSRP of 43505

MSRP $43,505.00
Discount $(2,000.00)
Dealer Administrative Charge $649.00
tax $1,305.15
Non Tax Fees $121.60
OCP $199.00
$43,779.75
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And I have no idea what OCP is.

NUTS.
How do I break this gently to you? Get a computer and search far and wide. A standard discount (without working hard at all should be between 4-6k at this point...not counting anything else you may qualify for. Be patient and you can easily beat these numbers by several thousand dollars.
 

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How far are you willing to go to get one? About 6K off here in MD for a fully loaded premier. PM me if you want some dealers to call.

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...The cars below have a MSRP at $42,005 with the options I am looking at and actually the same VIN numbered car...
Each car has a unique VIN#. So if dealers are quoting prices on a single VIN then they are planning to buy it from the dealer that has it and add their mark up in the process. You can do better if you follow the advice given in this thread.

And check out this thread for some additional ideas.
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?274641-Competing-dealerships-Ethics-question

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You're in NC? Try J&M Chevrolet in Zebulon. They won't have the car, but they can trade for it. I got a Volt with an MSRP of $40,325 out the door from them for $38,500 last month. They have no admin fee. They were very pleasant to do business with.

You can also try Sir Walter since they have (or had) Volts with bonus tags on them, but they play gimmicks marking up the price with crap like floor mats, tinted windows and nitrogen tires, and they have an admin fee. But if they have a car with a bonus tag attached it may offset all the crap they tack on.

How is the MSRP so high? Mine is a 2017 Kinetic Blue Premier with just about every option except for adaptive cruise control and I thought that only added $495. Any other options are dealer added fluff except for maybe lighted charging port.
 

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What do you get for the "Administrative Fee"? In New York State the most a dealer can charge is $75 even for an out of state purchaser. I am reasonably sure you could find the car you want in NY for less fly up and drive home. Consider it a bonding experience with your new car. Is everyone aware of the Farm Bureau $500 rebate?
 

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Great advice here so far. I love the idea of flying in and driving home. Especially if you could find significant savings as @madmike noted above ($6,000 off a premier - that's an entire year of payments!). Plus, depending on where you are in NC, it's definitely doable in a weekend (I love a good road trip!).

ONE thing to note, however. If getting a loan on the vehicle, make sure you have some communication between your lender and the dealer on how they will take care of the sales tax (payable at the dealer [for your state] or when you get back home). That's not the kind of surprise you want to get after you've flown to another state to buy your new car. I typically take a check from my Credit Union so when a dealer suddenly tries to find all kinds of extra charges, they find no opening.

Just my $.01 tonight.

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What do you get for the "Administrative Fee"? In New York State the most a dealer can charge is $75 even for an out of state purchaser. I am reasonably sure you could find the car you want in NY for less fly up and drive home. Consider it a bonding experience with your new car. Is everyone aware of the Farm Bureau $500 rebate?
NC along with neighboring SC and VA have uncapped fees...You have to be a member for 30 days and double check the states as it was something like only 40 states qualified...

There are other incentives this month such as the $2000 off "bonus tag" and the $1000 off "super bonus tag", the trick is finding a dealer who has them and will apply them to your deal as it has been reported that some dealerships will only use them on high MSRP Vettes/Silverados...

OP, start at Costcoauto, if you're not a costco member reach out to family and friends for their membership which is all you need to start...Plug in the #, contact info, make and model and they'll give you a list of Costco dealers...They're under invoice and a great place to start since once you have an under invoice price can get the other dealers to compete...Varying reports on leasehackr that costco can actually waive the dealer fee; "can" doesn't mean they will however...

The dealership with the lowest reported deals is the one where the Bolt EV was launched, Fremont CA, who will apply bonus tags to Volts (assuming they have enough), many have purchased Volts and even a few Bolts from CA and paid around $700 to have it shipped...The CA dealer fee is capped at $80, if you can't find a local-ish dealer who will apply $3K tags then you can ultimately save a boatload and spending an entire day flying out and driving back...
 

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I'm pretty sure if I wanted I could buy a 2017 Volt LT base model for $28,000 or even less. When we purchased our 2016 Volt LTZ in July 2016 we got a little over $11,000 off MSRP. Chevy had a 20% off MSRP special prom., and the dealer another $3,000 off. I don't know if you could do as well as we did but $5,000 off MSRP should be the starting point then go down from there on a new Volt.
 

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How do I break this gently to you? Get a computer and search far and wide. A standard discount (without working hard at all should be between 4-6k at this point...not counting anything else you may qualify for. Be patient and you can easily beat these numbers by several thousand dollars.
That is what I thought. No rush to purchase.
 

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I am in NC and talked to three dealers in the area and one just outside of DC. So far the one outside of DC is lowest. Gunna keep looking. Want the adaptive cruise, driver protection packages, nav, ambient lights etc. Pearl with Brandy interior.

I am going to wait this out and see out it pans out. I am a Farm Bureau member and have mentioned that.

I filled out the costco auto stuff and the dealer has yet to reach out, assuming I am going to have to reach out to them.

2 of the dealers have been pretty much unresponsive. I even test drove at each. Had to ask multiple times to get a quite and still waiting on one local dealer for number.

I hate this process.

Also they wont give me anything for my Ford CMax Energi.
 

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Also they wont give me anything for my Ford CMax Energi.
According to a saleslady I talked to the other day the CMAX depreciation is bad. Like 36% residual on a 3 year lease.

The Volts aren't great either, and the premier is worse than the base. That's the last numbers I saw from the GMF dealer workbook before they changed it from public to private access.
 

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I am in Greenville NC, just up the road. I have been involved in 2 Volt purchases in Raleigh at Sir Walter ..(one in March, one in Nov).. They are doing anywhere between 4 and 6 off sticker plus fees. They are the go to dealer for our area. If I can help further send me a private message. Don't give up : the Volt is a great car. We are a 4 Volt family. mine plus my father, my uncle, and my daughter
And if you are looking a great deal on a used Volt, my Dad's 2014 is at Lee Chevrolet in Washington. It only has 9k miles on it I expect he would take any reasonable offer
 

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Also....Go to Carmax across the street form Sir Walter in Raleigh ....they will give you a written offer for your trade in....Sir Walter will match it....
 

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Sir Walter is advertising 5k off on their web sight on several Volts. They will add doc of 499 tax tags and 1000 of dealer add ons for tint, nitrogen and floor mats.... Even with the dealer add ons it's 4k off sticker and they will match Carmax on the price for your Ford ...so it should be a simple no negotiation deal
 

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I am in NC and talked to three dealers in the area and one just outside of DC. So far the one outside of DC is lowest. Gunna keep looking. Want the adaptive cruise, driver protection packages, nav, ambient lights etc. Pearl with Brandy interior.

I am going to wait this out and see out it pans out. I am a Farm Bureau member and have mentioned that.

I filled out the costco auto stuff and the dealer has yet to reach out, assuming I am going to have to reach out to them.

2 of the dealers have been pretty much unresponsive. I even test drove at each. Had to ask multiple times to get a quite and still waiting on one local dealer for number.

I hate this process.

Also they wont give me anything for my Ford CMax Energi.
Yup, dealerships usually suck, in their defense this is the last weekend of the month so odds are they're probably more busy than usual...With Costco, unfortunately you do have to show up in person so often the best step is to kill two birds with one stone when car shopping...You "Costco" every make you want, you show up and test drive the model and decide on the trim/options...Get the pricing and email blitz ten local dealers telling them to beat the costco price...
 
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