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hate to be the bearer of bad news but if the past is any indication, NO.

As a long time Corvette owner we all thought the same thing, we just spent $60K to $120K on GM's halo vehicle and we all thought GM would update OLDER Vette's with what we all thought were easy and simple software upgrades. Never happened.
 

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I just have to ask, after all similar threads: When Apple goes from an I-Phone 3 to a 4 (and then a 5), do all you people expect the same new features to automatically apply to your 3? Can I just drill a small hole in the face of my I-Phone 3 and get another camera back-facing like a 4? OF COURSE NOT, so why do many of us expect Chevrolet to "update" our Volts?
 

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I just have to ask, after all similar threads: When Apple goes from an I-Phone 3 to a 4 (and then a 5), do all you people expect the same new features to automatically apply to your 3? Can I just drill a small hole in the face of my I-Phone 3 and get another camera back-facing like a 4? OF COURSE NOT, so why do many of us expect Chevrolet to "update" our Volts?

It's Tesla envy - they've shown us a better way. When Tesla makes a more affordable car they will, by far, be my first pick of car manufacturer that breaks the mold. As cars become increasingly tech driven, and tech continues to become obsolete so quickly, being able to upgrade certain non-essential features becomes a big differentiator in brand. GM continues the current trend in their vehicles of delivering immediately out-of-date ICE (In car entertainment, not engine, although that 1.4L isn't super impressive either :) ). I love my new Volt, but would drop it in a heartbeat if Tesla had a car in the same range.

Besides, your example isn't that great. Phones get OS upgrades for a year or two after they are released.:)
 

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The description in the link above for the Impala MyLink doesn't look much different than what's in my 2013 Volt. Not sure this is going to be much improved over what we already have.

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I just have to ask, after all similar threads: When Apple goes from an I-Phone 3 to a 4 (and then a 5), do all you people expect the same new features to automatically apply to your 3? Can I just drill a small hole in the face of my I-Phone 3 and get another camera back-facing like a 4? OF COURSE NOT, so why do many of us expect Chevrolet to "update" our Volts?
Exactly. I agree.
 

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It's Tesla envy - they've shown us a better way.
I recently drove my Volt over 500 miles from Los Angeles to San Francisco in 5 hours and 30 min. I stopped once to use a restroom and refill my tank. Even the top end $95K model S can't do that. Maybe someday Tesla will build a car that can go 500 miles in an afternoon like my Volt CAN... (For under $40K.) While still maintaining 100% electric driving for over 80% of my needs.

Tesla's longest range model costs almost 3X more than my Volt and it still can't meet my driving needs nearly as well as my Volt CAN.
 

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I don't expect GM to provide software functionality updates that are dependent on hardware revisions, although some updates of that type might be feasible on a fee basis. However, I see no reason why GM cannot, and doesn't, have a policy for offering hardware compatible software updates for their cars, including Volt, even if for a fee. For example, when I bought my iPhone 4 in 2010, it shipped with iOS 4. Since that time, the phone's software has been updated numerous times; although not all iOS 6 features run on my iPhone 4, the vast majority of them work fine. The functionality added over time has, for me, greatly added to the value and appeal of iPhone, compared to its competition. Similarly, GM could add to the value and appeal of their cars, compared to the competition, by deliberately designing the car's hardware and software systems in a manner that permits software functionality updates. These updates could, for example, introduce user interface enhancements, as well as help maintain compatibility with new handheld devices, such as iPhone 5. Additionally, software based functional enhancements, such as Volt's "HOLD" mode could be made available to extend the value and appeal of Volt (I'm thinking HOLD is software based, since the feature apparently existed on Ampera before made available on Volt). It doesn't make sense to me that GM expended so much time, effort and attention to detail in producing the cutting edge propulsion technology that is Voltec, and then placed it in a car that does not have user interface software and hardware that is similarly cutting edge, or at least reasonably free of glitches. On January 1st, I noticed that my 2013 Volt's date display had not rolled over from year 2012 to year 2013. This is a fairly fundamental function that should have been vetted during software testing, and this flaw leaves me wondering what else escaped testing (leap year?).

The bottom line is this: My 2013 Volt is the first GM car I've ever owned, but if Volt doesn't continue to exceed the competition in significant ways, like getting the details right (as they did in so many ways with Volt) and maintaining (or extending, where feasible) the car's functionality with software updates, I will be purchasing my next vehicle from GM's competition.
 

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The bottom line is this: My 2013 Volt is the first GM car I've ever owned, but if Volt doesn't continue to exceed the competition in significant ways, like getting the details right (as they did in so many ways with Volt) and maintaining (or extending, where feasible) the car's functionality with software updates, I will be purchasing my next vehicle from GM's competition.
Would you be so kind to share with us that mystery manufacture that will build your perfect car?
 

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Apple does update your old phone with new features. I own a 3GS that was running 3.13, then 4.x, then 5.11, now 6.0.1.

Chevy could do the same.

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That is a horrible comparison. Iphone-4,5 both get upgraded to ios-6 and this is a read "software" update to make the interface better. If you are going to sell cars for 45k then the best GM can do is decouple the interface from the car's hardware making it easy to upgrade. This is 2013 for god sakes.
 

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Software updates and future compatibility are always what everyone wants of course. But in most cases it's just not that easy to do.
How come Tesla only offers the super charging for 85kw batteries? The less expensive models don't get the benefit. I've gotten software updates from Apple, some free and some at a price and a few really have hurt more than helped because they were designed on new hardware. Many manufactures use software release updates to fix bugs in the original release. And correct me if I'm wrong about the Tesla updates but I heard they were either bug fixes or just adding in missing features that were advertised but not ready for primetime when the cars were 1st shipped. So time will tell on Tesla once they get a few model years out the door.

I believe as auto manufactures get better in their software engineering they will learn to design software and hardware easier to upgrade. Right now you may get the update or you may not (most likely).
 

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It's Tesla envy - they've shown us a better way. When Tesla makes a more affordable car they will, by far, be my first pick of car manufacturer that breaks the mold. As cars become increasingly tech driven, and tech continues to become obsolete so quickly, being able to upgrade certain non-essential features becomes a big differentiator in brand. GM continues the current trend in their vehicles of delivering immediately out-of-date ICE (In car entertainment, not engine, although that 1.4L isn't super impressive either :) ). I love my new Volt, but would drop it in a heartbeat if Tesla had a car in the same range.

Besides, your example isn't that great. Phones get OS upgrades for a year or two after they are released.:)
According to the Car and Driver review, the Model S they reviewed did not come with memory seats but Tesla stated to them that it will be offered via a software update since everything is controlled through the center console. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kCG-WqpVnI. I am guessing that the servo motors on the seats had to already have encoders built into them but that would beg the question on why memory functionality wasn't included in the first place. Can any Model S owner confirm it has memory seats?
 

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There are a lot of threads on the topic of retrofitting new features, especially software, to old model years.

GM does upgrade the Volt software, but only bug fixes, safety issues and (I think) the occasional drivability adjustment.

A lot of posters here think it's a safety/testing/certification issue. I believe it's a business model issue. GM's main profit comes from selling new cars. The dealer's biggest profit source is selling trade-ins. If I buy an upgrade, I'll probably keep the car longer. End of story.
 

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From a Maker point of view, I am looking for ways to mod my Volt myself. I don't (and didn't see an example where anyone else) expect new hardware for free. Capitalvolt was making an assumption for others it looks like.

But software updates are just the way things are done in this digital economy. You offer a digital thing, you better provide a way to update it (or lose mind share in the market place). That is WHY Apple DOES offer software updates across it's lines. Care to name a single product they haven't offered to software update?

For instance: since my nav system knows the speed limit wherever I am, why isn't that info displayed by the speedometer? You know, where it is immediately useful? Change the color of the speed to reddish if you are exceeding it? (yes, not good for color blind but should be an option). We don't expect GM to think of everything which is why updating for new ideas is the only way to survive the (also) iterating competition. The question is are they iterating for customers faster than you are...

BTW: I think the Volt's climate and Nav screens are AWFUL and would love to see some attention paid there.
 

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I recently drove my Volt over 500 miles from Los Angeles to San Francisco in 5 hours and 30 min. I stopped once to use a restroom and refill my tank.
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500 miles in 5 hours and 30 minutes with a stop along the way???

Did you have a police escort on your 100 mph+ run!!!!

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If a phone update arrives and your phone goes wonky, it is an inconvenience.

I have to think that a lot of the software in the Volt is interdependent. So making a change in one area might affect operation in another. As a programmer, I am well aware of those kinds of unintended consequences. And with your car zooming down the highway at 70 mph, that would not be a good time to find out that newest release caused the speed control disconnect to stop working. It is a big difference from the cell phone analogy, IMHO.

Plus, does anyone really know if the federal government would really allow a vehicle that has passed all testing at a certain software revision level to be updated without starting the testing procedure all over again? I would also think the logistics would be a bit of a problem. They would never allow self installed updates, so they would all have to be done at the dealer, who would want to be paid for that time....

I am not saying I would not like to see some of the features in the car to have updates made available, I just don't know how realistic it is for cars.

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I recently drove my Volt over 500 miles from Los Angeles to San Francisco in 5 hours and 30 min. I stopped once to use a restroom and refill my tank. Even the top end $95K model S can't do that. Maybe someday Tesla will build a car that can go 500 miles in an afternoon like my Volt CAN... (For under $40K.) While still maintaining 100% electric driving for over 80% of my needs.

Tesla's longest range model costs almost 3X more than my Volt and it still can't meet my driving needs nearly as well as my Volt CAN.
This is precisely why I withdrew my $5K Model S deposit and used the money to buy a Volt instead. And I am pretty happy overall with the MyLink/Bose/Nav system in my 2013. Could it be better? Sure, especially the Nav system. But it's perhaps the best sounding Bose system I've ever heard (usually I spend more time ripping and replacing Bose systems than I do listening to them) and overall the MyLink system it is pretty great. I use it without issues.
 

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Room for improvement

There is clearly room for improvement for pushing software updates out to in-warranty cars. Example: Our week-old 2013 Volt was at the dealer and they put in a new radio because the navigation was broken. When we got the car back we were then experiencing numerous new stack-related problems. When I took the car back AGAIN they installed new software that, according to my service receipt, fixes "over 150 problems".

Now what explanation was there for releasing a car back to me the first time without installing an available software update that fixes over 150 known problems? I told the service guy that I felt lucky that we had only experienced and documented about 10 of those. I wonder what the other 140 problems were!
 

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If a phone update arrives and your phone goes wonky, it is an inconvenience.

I have to think that a lot of the software in the Volt is interdependent. So making a change in one area might affect operation in another. As a programmer, I am well aware of those kinds of unintended consequences. And with your car zooming down the highway at 70 mph, that would not be a good time to find out that newest release caused the speed control disconnect to stop working. It is a big difference from the cell phone analogy, IMHO.

Plus, does anyone really know if the federal government would really allow a vehicle that has passed all testing at a certain software revision level to be updated without starting the testing procedure all over again? I would also think the logistics would be a bit of a problem. They would never allow self installed updates, so they would all have to be done at the dealer, who would want to be paid for that time....

I am not saying I would not like to see some of the features in the car to have updates made available, I just don't know how realistic it is for cars.

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Excuses.

Sure, there would be testing and certification involved, but these upgrades would be worth money to GM in terms of customer satisfaction and loyalty, and many of us would be willing to pay for them.

This is capitalism. If there is a demand, there *will* be a supply. If GM doesn't do it, their competition will. Of that, I am sure.
 
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