[bro1999]

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/nhtsa2716

I guess it's official now. GM vehicles (and a lot of other hybrids/EVs) already have these noisemakers in place.

 

[Joe67]

https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/nhtsa2716

I guess it's official now. GM vehicles (and a lot of other hybrids/EVs) already have these noisemakers in place.

Good. It's been investigated since at least 2009

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/s841

 

[Loboc]

NHTSA posts quiet vehicle regulaton

Hybrid and electric vehicles are required to make noise below 19mph. This is just dumb because ICE vehicles can be just as quiet.

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3224313-quiet-vehicle-regulation-set-nhtsa
https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/nhtsa2716

 

[Dutch]

Hybrid and electric vehicles are required to make noise below 19mph. This is just dumb because ICE vehicles can be just as quiet.

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3224313-quiet-vehicle-regulation-set-nhtsa
https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/nhtsa2716

I agree that it's very easy to miss the sounds that alert you to the fact that a vehicle is ready to move.

I'm kind of hoping that they come up with a standardized low-level sound for all vehicles so that we can all learn "hey that sound means a car is in gear and ready to move".

 

[Loboc]

MODs may want to combine the double post.

 

[Jmaj]

What a good example of a regulation that should go in the circular file Jan 21.

 

[BAZINGA]

First time I heard my 2017 make it's pedestrian warning noise I thought there was something wrong with my car. My wife was standing in the garage and as I backed out she started waving her arms, so when I opened my window I thought "oh great, brand new car and it has a problem".

I wish I could down load an MP3 of George Jetson's car.........

 

[Joe67]

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread...pped-with-noisemakers-installed-by-1-Sep-2019

 

[Joe67]

Hybrid and electric vehicles are required to make noise below 19mph. This is just dumb because ICE vehicles can be just as quiet.

http://seekingalpha.com/news/3224313-quiet-vehicle-regulation-set-nhtsa
https://www.transportation.gov/briefing-room/nhtsa2716

To you perhaps, but not the hearing impaired. This is a good thing that has been investigated since at least 2009.

 

[Qinsp]

True comedy.

Did anybody at the NHTSA know that modern ICE cars are shutting themselves off now?

And I find it stunning that 1:200 EV's injure a pedestrian to the point there is a police report filed due to lower noise levels.

Actually, I'm suspicious that they just made up a number or made the data match their hypothesis. It's how CARB and the EPA work, so I doubt the NHTSA is exempt.

 

[Mcgsp]

To you perhaps, but not the hearing impaired. This is a good thing that has been investigated since at least 2009.

The issue is not just with hearing impaired, but for all pedestrians, cyclists, skateboarders and the like, who use the sound of cars to help gauge traffic and safety. Motorist sometimes forget that they too are potential pedestrians and cyclists. It always amazes me when in a parking lot, seeing a motorist blow past a pedestrian in dangerous manner and then just minutes later cussing at some driver for their rude behavior. Such a hoot

 

[Qinsp]

The law should have been, "All Cars must make at least 72db of noise at all times while moving."

But then they won't be able to make 10 regulations to cover all the different vehicles and situation, and somebody would be laid off.

 

[jsmay311]

The law should have been, "All Cars must make at least 72db of noise at all times while moving."

But then they won't be able to make 10 regulations to cover all the different vehicles and situation, and somebody would be laid off.

Yes. Everything that we don't like is clearly a government conspiracy.

Or maybe applying this rule only to vehicles that drive without engine noise is the simplest, least-intrusive approach. (Even though I'd prefer not to have any extra noise generated.)

Maybe this is actually a fairly reasonable rule developed in good faith by people who aren't evil or stupid and are just following directions from Congress and don't deserve to be vilified.

 

[Steverino]

Someone assumed that ICE cars make a sufficient noise and that EV's don't. The law should be applied to all vehicles, not just EV's. On the other hand, maybe ICE vehicles DO make that much noise. I don't have facts one way or the other.

 

[srmarti]

If it's required for hybrid and electric vehicles, logically then minimum noise levels should be required for ALL vehicles. In some sense this is allowing others to walk around without paying attention to their surroundings.

 

[srmarti]

The issue is not just with hearing impaired, but for all pedestrians, cyclists, skateboarders and the like, who use the sound of cars to help gauge traffic and safety. Motorist sometimes forget that they too are potential pedestrians and cyclists. It always amazes me when in a parking lot, seeing a motorist blow past a pedestrian in dangerous manner and then just minutes later cussing at some driver for their rude behavior. Such a hoot

On the other hand, I had to use my pedestrian horn to alert people meandering down the middle of the lane like they were the only ones on the planet. They obviously weren't deaf, just wrapped up in their own little world.

 

[Joe67]

Serious whining going on here over something so trivial. Seek out someone wearing a safety pin already.....

2012 Premium - Red

 

[Michaelh310]

If EVs are causing pedestrian accidents at a rate higher than ICE vehicles, show me all the bodies.

This is a feel-good solution searching for a problem.

The NHTSA papers that compare pedestrian and bicyclist accident rates for ICE vehicles vs hybrids do not, in my opinion, support the proposed regulations for several reasons, among them....

1. They generally do not include parking lot accidents, which are for the most part the ones that am 18 MPH regulation would affect.
2. They do not distinguish loud ICE vehicles from normal ICE vehicles. Some motorcyclists are fond of saying "Loud pipes save lives". I can well imaging a loud car will be avoided even by an earphone wearing cyclist while a normal car will not.

 

[Joe67]

If EVs are causing pedestrian accidents at a rate higher than ICE vehicles, show me all the bodies.

This is a feel-good solution searching for a problem.

The NHTSA papers that compare pedestrian and bicyclist accident rates for ICE vehicles vs hybrids do not, in my opinion, support the proposed regulations for several reasons, among them....

1. They generally do not include parking lot accidents, which are for the most part the ones that am 18 MPH regulation would affect.
2. They do not distinguish loud ICE vehicles from normal ICE vehicles. Some motorcyclists are fond of saying "Loud pipes save lives". I can well imaging a loud car will be avoided even by an earphone wearing cyclist while a normal car will not.

Fact is many people count on the sounds vehicles make to be aware. Perhaps not for you, but for many others out there. What do you base your opinion of the NHTSA papers above on?

 

[hiperco]

NHTSA Mandates Noisemakers on Hybrids, EVs

https://www.cars.com/articles/nhtsa-mandates-noisemakers-on-hybrids-evs-1420692319517/