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http://www.autonews.com/article/20170728/OEM05/170729745/musk-risks-missing-the-mainstream-if-model-3-strays-from-35000

“One question for Model 3 reservation holders is: How much are they really willing to pay?” said David Whiston, an auto analyst with Morningstar Inc. in Chicago. “Thirty-five grand is going to get you a very basic model. The average Model 3 is going to be more like $42,000, and a fully-loaded one will probably be in the $60s. It’s not a mass-market car.”

Toss in the fact the majority of 3 reservation holders will not qualify for the full $7.5k federal tax credit. :eek:
 

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http://www.autonews.com/article/20170728/OEM05/170729745/musk-risks-missing-the-mainstream-if-model-3-strays-from-35000

“One question for Model 3 reservation holders is: How much are they really willing to pay?” said David Whiston, an auto analyst with Morningstar Inc. in Chicago. “Thirty-five grand is going to get you a very basic model. The average Model 3 is going to be more like $42,000, and a fully-loaded one will probably be in the $60s. It’s not a mass-market car.”

Toss in the fact the majority of 3 reservation holders will not qualify for the full $7.5k federal tax credit. :eek:
My Volt stickered for $45K
 

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He's actually right. EVs simply aren't mainstream yet. The Model 3 and Bolt are the two vehicles that have a chance to change this, however.
 

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My Volt stickered for $45K
Mine did too. A fully optioned Bolt EV will be in the same range.

Those higher sales could finally make Tesla profitable and accelerate its plans for future products like SUVs and pickup trucks.
Or the Model 3 could dash Tesla's dreams.
Potential customers could lose faith if Tesla doesn't meet its aggressive production schedule, or if the cars have quality problems that strain Tesla's small service network. The compact Model 3 may not entice a global market that's increasingly shifting to SUVs, including all-electric SUVs from Audi and others that are going on sale soon.
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/28/mainstream-model-3-holds-promise-and-peril-for-tesla.html
 

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My Volt stickered for $45K
Mine did too. A fully optioned Bolt EV will be in the same range.
My Volt was $45K as well.

I'm sure many missed this from before:

The Model 3s are not for the same target audience as the Bolt as been written about many times (see quote below from design chief Franz von Holzhausen). The price will reflect that when you include various options. The UI and OTA (new features overnight) are certainly a couple of the 'revolutionary' Tesla features. I think the AWD system will be appreciated in many parts of the USA and world (I recall when the 'D' (dual) Tesla option became available and all the discussion). Certainly TACC/ACC will be appreciated for those in stop-n-go traffic (I've used it a few times then and read many that love it for that).

TMC: Model 3 Reality Check <-- shows some comparibles
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-reality-check.94357/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Model_3
In 2013, design chief Franz von Holzhausen stated that the Model 3 will "be an Audi A4, BMW 3-series, Mercedes-Benz C-Class type of vehicle that will offer everything: range, affordability, and performance" that is targeted toward the mass-market.
 

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How can 400k+ reservations not be considered a mass market car? If I had a Morninstar subscription, I'd cancel it.
 

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How can 400k+ reservations not be considered a mass market car? If I had a Morninstar subscription, I'd cancel it.
400k reservations = 0 sales to date. 30 or so will finally be booked tonight.
 

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How can 400k+ reservations not be considered a mass market car? If I had a Morninstar subscription, I'd cancel it.
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400k reservations = 0 sales to date. 30 or so will finally be booked tonight.
Bro1999,

Why so pessimistic? We know you have a Bolt EV and you are very happy with it, but for the rest of us that have been waiting for this moment, this is very exciting.

I wish the Bolt EV had as much excitement around it but GM just doesn't know how to sell or market that car.
 

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Bro1999,

Why so pessimistic? We know you have a Bolt EV and you are very happy with it, but for the rest of us that have been waiting for this moment, this is very exciting.

I wish the Bolt EV had as much excitement around it but GM just doesn't know how to sell or market that car.
Bro is baiting another forum member Tesla fanboy into yet another flame war. My suggestion, stand back and enjoy the fireworks (in before the lock).
 

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The M3 is as mainstream as any other vehicle trying to break into an IC world with new EV tech. If sales are reflected accurately, it'll be more mainstream than anything Chevy has to offer that's for sure. And all other EV and hybrid vehicle offerings combined. So yeah, it's mainstream. Bubble burst sorry.
 

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Bro is baiting another forum member Tesla fanboy into yet another flame war. My suggestion, stand back and enjoy the fireworks (in before the lock).
Truly a childish behavior to which I can only say the moderators are his friends and quite supportive of this idiotic behavior.
 

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Bro is baiting another forum member Tesla fanboy into yet another flame war. My suggestion, stand back and enjoy the fireworks (in before the lock).
I'll go get my popcorn.
 

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The M3 is as mainstream as any other vehicle trying to break into an IC world with new EV tech. If sales are reflected accurately, it'll be more mainstream than anything Chevy has to offer that's for sure. And all other EV and hybrid vehicle offerings combined. So yeah, it's mainstream. Bubble burst sorry.
True but how well it sells is still an open question. The Nissan Leaf had a lot of pre-orders than never turned into sales. There is a difference between people paying $35K for a Model S and people paying $50K for a not very attractive downscale imitation Model S. Without seeing the car in person and there being pricing information it's impossible for me to guess how things will turn out. In some pictures the Model 3 looks very good and in some it looks like a tiny bug. And it's not as Tesla always nails the design. I like the Model S but the Model X has the least road presence of any vehicle of its size I've ever seen.

No point in arguing about it. In time we'll know. A lot, as in a whole lot, depends on the pricing.
 
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