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GM started building Bolt test mules 15+ months before production Bolts rolled off the line. Tesla is gonna do that in less than 6 months? I guess the initial owners will be doing the preproduction testing.
 

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Valid concern. But Model X mules weren't seen in the wild more than a month or more before first delivery. Granted the Model X wasn't a perfect roll out (gullwings), but applying industry standard timelines (i.e. GM) to Tesla are inappropriate.

GM started building Bolt test mules 15+ months before production Bolts rolled off the line. Tesla is gonna do that in less than 6 months? I guess the initial owners will be doing the preproduction testing.
 

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Tesla definitely fast tracks their vehicles to production. They are really using early adopters as beta testers, but Tesla owners don't seem to mind. Positive favorability does have its benefits.

Either way, it will be good to see Model 3s shipping, but I wonder if Tesla is going to provide actual details about the car soon.
 

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I believe the term "some assembly required" will apply to M3 owners if they actually deliver production vehicles by the 4th qtr of 2017.

But Tesla owners are very forgiving and I believe they are happy to be "beta testers". GM would take a beating if they delivered cars like that.
 

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GM started building Bolt test mules 15+ months before production Bolts rolled off the line. Tesla is gonna do that in less than 6 months? I guess the initial owners will be doing the preproduction testing.
Tesla has had mules out for many months now.

This is a test on the manufacturing side as quoted " The sources did not know how many of the highly anticipated vehicles Tesla aimed to build in February, but it would likely be a small number to test the assembly system and the quality of vehicle parts."
 

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I believe the term "some assembly required" will apply to M3 owners if they actually deliver production vehicles by the 4th qtr of 2017.

But Tesla owners are very forgiving and I believe they are happy to be "beta testers". GM would take a beating if they delivered cars like that.
I don't think that is at all true. If a tesla driver hears a squeak it is at least 4 pages worth on the message boards so hardly forgiving. I am also not following on what you believe they are "beta testing"?
 

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Once I have my 2017 paid for... is right around the time I'll start seriously looking at the Model 3's I figure by late 2018, or 2019 we will have plenty of them in the wild with lots of reviews/info and whatnot.

Normally I'm the type that hangs onto a car for quite a while, and while I love my volt, GM as a company keeps doing everything in it's power to push me away and take my money elsewhere.

Right around the time I'll be in the market for one, the first year bugs should be worked out and hopefully be an awesome 100% EV toy that will satisfy commuting and fun.
 

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Tesla has had mules out for many months now.

This is a test on the manufacturing side as quoted " The sources did not know how many of the highly anticipated vehicles Tesla aimed to build in February, but it would likely be a small number to test the assembly system and the quality of vehicle parts."
Is there a single picture of a Model 3 with a charge port at a Supercharger?

Somebody must have seen one.
 

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Tesla has had mules out for many months now.
Whelp, they sure aren't driving on CA streets, unless the inside of their Fremont factory counts.
 

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Everything Elon does is so carefully orchestrated to keep the press coverage and the investors happy. Whatever works. Stock is up significantly again today. I think people give him more leeway as he will deliver (maybe a little late).

GM needs to learn from this, they post excellent year end results and their stock plummets. They have been beating estimates all year, and still their stock doesn't go up. I say this as I own a small amount of it :)

Deliveries will start with existing Tesla owners, so they will likely be the forgiving crowd. I imagine mainstream deliveries won't start until issues are ironed out. They will also be well equipped models, so maybe not the picky just want a car crowd that Toyota sells to.
 

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Agree it's hard to know the timing because the Tesla release process is likely not the GM release process. I'd say it's not likely we'll see any Model 3 roll off the line by the end of this year but you never know. Like GM, Tesla does have pressure to deliver before the 2018 MY, though that deadline is likely already missed. The next pressure point is the expiration of the tax credits.

Also agree that this is timed for the investment community. My guess is the financial results will be dismal so Elon will need another bright and shiny object to distract the faithful. LOL
 

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Just as a note GM built nearly a 100 prototypes dating back to 2014. These were built with near production tooling and were used to give test drives at the CES launch in early 2016. About half were assembled in GM's PPO facility in Warren, MI and the other half were built in Korea.

These prototypes are used for powertrain, suspension calibration, software debugging, durability testing etc...

Then in spring of 2016 GM started what is called the validation build process. These cars were made on the assembly line in Orion, MI. These cars are used to validate the manufacturing process. Also some of these cars are used for final certifications. Eventually the cars move from non-saleable MVB's to saleable MVB's and these can be press cars and GM internal fleet vehicles for final validation before full production.

We don't really know Tesla's process. Tesla doesn't have a PPO facility like GM does. So they are forced to use production resources to make prototypes. The question is. Is this a run of prototypes for calibration, durability and to validate their math data? Or is this a more final version and it's a production validation? Or are they trying to do both at the same time (which can be very problematic).
 

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I am more interested in what exactly the lowest price model has for an interior and exterior. Surely they had to use a lot of plastics but which types and where is very important (GM knows how to screw up plastics and interiors at all price points). So I am really curious how their suppliers will fare. Going to be real fun seeing that option sheet. I wonder how close to S pricing a loaded III will be

i have no issue with them starting production cars in July. Nothing states it will be full steam then, just starting it.
 

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I am more interested in what exactly the lowest price model has for an interior and exterior. Surely they had to use a lot of plastics but which types and where is very important (GM knows how to screw up plastics and interiors at all price points). So I am really curious how their suppliers will fare.
You should also be concerned with the drivetrain and the battery. Depending on the strategy Tesla takes, the $35,000 Model 3 might be significantly less capable than its more expensive brethren.

Going to be real fun seeing that option sheet. I wonder how close to S pricing a loaded III will be
The fully loaded Model 3 should exceed the price of a base Model S. Think of Tesla like BMW. The M3 is significantly more expensive than a base 4 series.
 

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I learned that Tesla M3 will have 2 different battery choices. 60kWh and 70kWh and we still have reserved and won't have M3 till 2018. We are looking forward to our new M3 when they come out.


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