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310 miles is a pretty long way and able to get to superchargers where they have MANY stalls per site (often 10+ for new ones). This is a big deal for many.
 

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Nice car, but disappointing event. What about weight? Miles per kwhr? Battery sizes?
 

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Nice car, but disappointing event. What about weight? Miles per kwhr? Battery sizes?
We are talking mass production car. Those are geek questions not general public buyer questions.

/update --- yes all the geek forums had the data already.

As soon as the event was over several articles came out with details as well. They were give the cars and details earlier.
 

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Accidental reveal of 237 whr/mile as reported by TEN, and claimed range of 310 miles = 73.5 kWh battery pack... so I am guessing actually a 75 kWh battery pack as guessed by many here. With 220 miles for the short range that gives us 52.1 kWh battery pack, so I am guessing it will be rated at 55 kWh.

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How did they get 100k "orders" in the last hour when there are no specs, configurator, pricing? Must mean $1k deposits?

Reporters on the scene are saying $35k, +$5k for autopilot, +5k for power seats wood trim, +$3k for self driving if and when. + destination? + Paint and wheels? Other stuff?
 

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And just how much more is a dual motor version with AWD going to cost? It appears a "loaded" Model 3 could end up being more expensive than a less loaded version of an S. I have a problem with that.
Seems like there is a bit of an opening here for Chevy or others to fill some voids in the EV market?
 

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How did they get 100k "orders" in the last hour when there are no specs, configurator, pricing? Must mean $1k deposits?

Reporters on the scene are saying $35k, +$5k for autopilot, +5k for power seats wood trim, +$3k for self driving if and when. + destination? + Paint and wheels? Other stuff?
Obviously deposits for 'reservations' as they are called. Same as when it was first done.

'reservation' -- https://www.google.com/search?q=model+3+reservation
 

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How did they get 100k "orders" in the last hour when there are no specs, configurator, pricing? Must mean $1k deposits?

Reporters on the scene are saying $35k, +$5k for autopilot, +5k for power seats wood trim, +$3k for self driving if and when. + destination? + Paint and wheels? Other stuff?
Price – $35,000

Standard Battery
Range: 220 miles (EPA estimated)
Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes
Home charging rate: 30 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 32A)
Deliveries begin: Fall 2017

Long Range Battery – $9,000
Range: 310 miles
Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes
Home charging rate: 37 miles of range per hour (240V outlet, 40A)
0-60 mph: 5.1 seconds
Top speed: 140 mph
Deliveries begin: July 2017

Paint

Solid Black: Standard
Midnight Silver Metallic: $1,000
Deep Blue Metallic: $1,000
Silver Metallic: $1,000
Pearl White Multi-Coat: $1,000
Red Multi-Coat: $1,000
Wheels

18” Aero: Standard
19” Sport: $1,500

Premium Upgrades Package – $5,000 Upgraded interior with additional features and premium materials.
Premium heated seating and cabin materials throughout, including open pore wood décor and two rear USBs
12-way, power adjustable front seats, steering column and side mirrors, with custom driver profiles
Premium audio system with more power, tweeters, surround speakers and subwoofer
Tinted glass roof with ultraviolet and infrared protection
Auto dimming, power folding, heated side mirrors
LED fog lamps
Center console with covered storage and docking for two smartphones

Enhanced Autopilot – $5,000 Model 3 will match speed to traffic conditions, keep within a lane, automatically change lanes, transition from one freeway to another, exit the freeway and self-park at your destination.

Additional features will roll out over time through software updates.

Full Self-Driving Capability – $3,000 (requires Enhanced Autopilot) In the future, Model 3 will be capable of conducting trips with no action required by the person in the driver’s seat.

This feature is dependent upon extensive software validation and regulatory approval, which may vary by jurisdiction.

Source: https://electrek.co/2017/07/29/tesla-model-3-production-specs-revealed/
 

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The question remains what we will be allowed to forego to get a car ASAP.

A $44k Model 3 with 310 mile range is too attractive when compared to a stripped $70k Model S. I don't think they will allow $44k cars to be shipped yet.

But it does pose the question of how much $$$ does it cost Tesla to make batteries. 25kWh for $9k isn't amazing anymore. $360 / kWh?
 

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^ actually the longer range version will be made exclusive first, the cheaper version will begin production in the fall, i think the fully loaded ones 54k plus extra for paint and rim option will be made in larger quantities first so they make production easier by not having to produce so many different iterations.
 

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The Tesla fans are freaking out on Electrek, it is as I have been trying to tell them for a year. You aren't going to get a Model S for $35k :)

Note things like textile seats, power seats optional, glass roof optional, all in part of same option package. Base Model has fairly low charge rate, etc.

I bet Bolt EV sales jump second half as they realize Tesla is not really a better value. It is still appealing no doubt, but not cheap.
 

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The question remains what we will be allowed to forego to get a car ASAP.

A $44k Model 3 with 310 mile range is too attractive when compared to a stripped $70k Model S. I don't think they will allow $44k cars to be shipped yet.

But it does pose the question of how much $$$ does it cost Tesla to make batteries. 25kWh for $9k isn't amazing anymore. $360 / kWh?
Title: Tesla is now claiming 35% battery cost reduction at ‘Gigafactory 1’ – hinting at breakthrough cost below $125/kWh
Feb 18, 2017
https://electrek.co/2017/02/18/tesla-battery-cost-gigafactory-model-3/
 

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So given $125 cell cost, $200 battery pack cost? Difference in two models is probably 20 kwh, so $450 / kwh, pretty nice markup for Tesla, but that is normal for them.
 

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The Tesla fans are freaking out on Electrek, it is as I have been trying to tell them for a year. You aren't going to get a Model S for $35k :)

Note things like textile seats, power seats optional, glass roof optional, all in part of same option package. Base Model has fairly low charge rate, etc.

I bet Bolt EV sales jump second half as they realize Tesla is not really a better value. It is still appealing no doubt, but not cheap.
I doubt it, most people buying a tesla 3 equate it to buying a bmw 3 series or a c class. The Bolt is not in that league. Tesla will outsell the Bolt no problem assuming they actually produce as many as they say they will. None of my friends think a Bolt looks better than a the Tesla. For around the same price, they would all rather buy the 3.
 

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So given $125 cell cost, $200 battery pack cost? Difference in two models is probably 20 kwh, so $450 / kwh, pretty nice markup for Tesla, but that is normal for them.
You can't just take $9k and divide by the kWh. The long range model charges faster and has a faster 0-60 time so there is a better motor and higher capacity charger that's worth sometching. I'm sad that they didn't really do any good closeups of the exterior or interior of the car at the show. The glass roof still scares the he k out of me. But it doesn't matter, I hope it sells well despite me stepping out of line for one.
 

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That event was LAME. TSLA stock is gonna take a pounding Monday. Glad I sold @$375
Elon looked completely unnerved.
 

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So given $125 cell cost, $200 battery pack cost? Difference in two models is probably 20 kwh, so $450 / kwh, pretty nice markup for Tesla, but that is normal for them.
I think that they will be selling the Model 3 SR at $35,000 for a loss, so the Model 3 LR markup is probably required to cover where they are short.

Also, just doing some quick estimates for power based on curb weight and acceleration, the 3SR will only have about 180 kW of total power versus 215 kW for the 3LR. That combined with the limited charging rates might finally help people understand that Tesla wasn't doing anything magical with their engineering. They were simply using larger batteries. As more manufacturers start releasing larger battery EVs, we will see more numbers similar to those seen only in Tesla models up to this point.
 

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So this was interesting. TeslaBjorn did a ride along in the Model 3. I guess I never realized how spartan the Model S/X were, but they seemed extremely surprised by some very basic features (lights on the vanity mirrors, center console space, door compartments, etc.). The interior materials do appear to be of a higher quality than the Bolt EV's, but I'm guessing that is the $5,000 Premium Upgrades package. It will be interesting to see what the base Model 3 interior is like. Of course, it will also be interesting to see what GM does with the Buick Bolt EV.

 

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I initially thought the M3 would drive down the price of a CPO MS. Now I believe pricing of CPO MS' will increase due demand. For me and my family if I had $45K to spend on an BEV I'd start off looking at a CPO MS.

A CPO S85 still seems like a better deal.
 
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