[Noel Park]

Paul : So after the government rebate the price becomes £28,699 ($43,152.34 USD)

#35

DOA, IMHO.

 

[Dan_Petit]

It sure looks like they are going for the money, not as much for looks (from the American style preferences are concerned). Practically-minded Europeans vote with their Euros for practicality firstly anyways.

But, as someone above mentioned that gasoline is above $6 a gallon on the other side of the pond, the economics of 80 miles ER compared to a 27 mpg auto might save a Euro buyer something like 18 bucks a day if they needed to drive the entire range, and, for a five day work week (plus weekend mileages), that savings alone might go very far to make the payment due to gas savings for those who need to drive very high daily miles there.

You can always reduce your BEV price, but it is difficult to increase it once listed.

Having 150 deposits already does not surprise me at all, since the cost of petrol over there is the main drive toward electrification.

Good for them. This sends just the right message, that there is a "pot of gold" in electrification for those that do it right, and back their products as well as GM does.

Great topic today.

 

[Larry11]

That is the most 'ovaloid' shape I've ever seen in a vehicle; "Jelly Bean" is right!

Not all that bad looking, but by golly you sure get a lot more car for your money with the Volt. Only the Volt will allow you to take a cross-country cruise. Batteries are going to have to get WAY cheaper to make pure EV vehicles competitive.

 

[CaptJackSparrow7]

JohnK : Yes. The Tesla rep at the Detroit auto show remarked that the first year of the Model S would all be “limited editions” with special loaded packages that would sell for around $80,000.


See what I mean? Too much crap is on cars nowadays. Trim levels force you to buy sh|t you don't want.

Just a basic car will do for regular commuters. Just give me...
No Power Windows
No Power Adjust Seats
No Power Side view mirrors
No Power Sunroof (Actually No Sunroof at all!!)
No Power Door Locks
No Power Trunk lock
No Radio (Remember that fiasco? - Get an iPod)
No Heated Seats
No GPS (My Phone has one and it WORKs!)
No OnStar!!!

 

[CaptJackSparrow7]

Paul : This site seems to be anti ANY electric vehicle that ISN’T a Volt.

The price released is BEFORE the rebate, not after as you’ve INVENTED!

So after the government rebate the price becomes £28,699 ($43,152.34 USD)

Regardless of the price anyone sayz, it's what is signed on the purchase contract on that day. when you roll off of that lot you have PAID FULL price.

But, don't forget California has a $5,000.00 rebate for a BEV to double dip: http://energycenter.org/index.php/incentive-programs/clean-vehicle-rebate-project/cvrp-eligible-vehicles

Of course the Jelly Bean car is not listed yet but it will when it get's closer to US rollout, same with Tesla Model'S'.

 

[twist]

CaptJackSparrow : No Power Windows
No Power Adjust Seats
No Power Side view mirrors
No Power Sunroof (Actually No Sunroof at all!!)
No Power Door Locks
No Power Trunk lock
No Radio (Remember that fiasco? – Get an iPod)
No Heated Seats
No GPS (My Phone has one and it WORKs!)
No OnStar!!!

If manufacturers build the car you're looking for. It will be called the reduced weight "racing edition" and cost 10% more. A good reason to own a motorcycle.
It sure looks like the city streets of 2012 and beyond will be much more quiet than today. Even if just 1 in 4 proposed EV are produced and sold.

=D-Volt

 

[Jim_in_PA]

RogerE333 : am I the only one who dreams of buying a white Mitsubishi and then putting the pre-1945 “rising sun” as large as possible on each side

Ummm... yeah... I would guess that you probably ARE the only one dreaming of this. Just a hunch.

 

[CaptJackSparrow7]

Exp_EngTech : The soon to be “Built in Indiana” THINK City looks like the bargain to me.

I've been watching this car. It was my first choice for a BEV. Too much has happened to them and the battery might be just a lease only. but it's probably too early to say stil. They need to hurry up and get their car on the road. They had a pretyy good concept car a few years back. It was the Th!mk OX but it looks like they changed it to Th!nk O: http://www.thinkev.com/content/view/full/885

I guess it's better than a slow OX.....lol

/still, the Th!nk city will still work for me too...

 

[statik7]

Other 'MSRP' UK prices:

Cruze £12,795 - £16,045 -- which 'would be' $19--24K
Ford Focus £17,870 - £27,575 -- which 'would be' $26-40K
Toyota Prius £19,504 - £22,610 -- which 'would be' $29-34K
Corvette £48,000 -- which 'would be' $72K

/just saying
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If you have never kicked any tires anywhere in Europe then the conversion can be a tricky thing to get your head around.

Rule of thumb is that a Euro = USD straight (no currency conversion...I know, you really, really want to...but you can't). Therefore a £ is a factor of 1.12. Then less the VAT of 17.5%. (You also have to consider that a car's MSRP is generally priced much higher out of the gate because the average incentive per car is much higher in Europe than in the US)

£33,699, probably translates out to about the same number in the US

If anyone thinks that whenever the Opel Ampera makes its debut in the UK is going to be priced at £26,000 to give a straight exchange shot of $39,000 in USD, then they have a surprise coming.

 

[Jim_in_PA]

The race continues! Auto makers surge forward, introducing model after model that make my Aztek finally look like the cool, attractive car on the block!

 

[Exp_EngTech]

The $7500 Federal Tax Credit.
The $5000 California Rebate.

I betcha THINK's web site is getting some California customer traffic these days.

 

[Freedom_at_last]

Brits can afford this car be cause they have free h ealth ca re but we can't because we don't

 

[CaptJackSparrow7]

Exp_EngTech : I betcha THINK’s web site is getting some California customer traffic these days.

And half of the 50,000+ buyers on the Leaf List is from "Kahl-eee-fornee-ya".

 

[statik7]

statik : Other ‘MSRP’ UK prices:Cruze £12,795 – £16,045 — which ‘would be’ $19–24KFord Focus £17,870 – £27,575 — which ‘would be’ $26-40KToyota Prius £19,504 – £22,610 — which ‘would be’ $29-34KCorvette £48,000 — which ‘would be’ $72K/just saying——————–If you have never kicked any tires anywhere in Europe then the conversion can be a tricky thing to get your head around.Rule of thumb is that a Euro = USD straight (no currency conversion…I know, you really, really want to…but you can’t). Therefore a £ is a factor of 1.12. Then less the VAT of 17.5%. (You also have to consider that a car’s MSRP is generally priced much higher out of the gate because the average incentive per car is much higher in Europe than in the US)£33,699, probably translates out to about the same number in the USIf anyone thinks that whenever the Opel Ampera makes its debut in the UK is going to be priced at £26,000 to give a straight exchange shot of $39,000 in USD, then they have a surprise coming.   (Quote)

Or as the article changes, £38,699 still probably equals about the same in USD, lol. I'm only commenting on the method, not the value of the price itself.
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Half the 'interwebs' are putting out £38,699 less £5,000. Others are saying it is £33,699, then £5,000.

From Mitsu themselves: "For orders delivered to the customer from January 1st 2011, to coincide with the UK government's recently announced Consumer Incentive Scheme, the price has been set at £33,699 including VAT. The government grant will be worth £5,000 off the purchase price of qualifying electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles."

-- translate as you will

Other random UK-US price anomalies:

Tesla Roadster Base Pricing in UK: £86,950
Tesla Roadster Vase Pricing un US: $101,500

http://www.teslamotors.com/buy/selectlocation.php?buy_country=reset

 

[CaptJackSparrow7]

Freedom at last : Brits can afford this car be cause they have free h ealth ca re but we can’t because we don’t

Just curious... and I am ignorant of their policy there......Do employed individuals pay for healtcare benefits or is it free but their employer has to pay for it?

/remember, I haven't a clue and since you brought it up, I was just wondering.

 

[Slave to Opec]

Do they really expect people to pay that kind of money ?

Until we see $100/kwh battery costs, I believe BEVs' will remain a dead end...

 

[DonC]

I'd go with statik's pricing guesses. The UK-->US price is somewhat hard to do. Currency exchange deflates the price. VAT and the higher cost of distribution inflate it. A straight across pound for dollar conversion is probably too little. I'd inflate the UK price by 15% and call it a day.

This may be academic because the iMiev is not likely bound for NA. The battery pack is just too small at 16 kWh. It might be large enough to work in other places but not in NA. Just not enough juice for the distances, drive cycles, and driving conditions.

 

[Red HHR1]

"Suddenly under $40,000 for a Volt sounds like a very good deal indeed."
Oh, Oh, Volt price creep...

 

[DonC]

CaptJackSparrow : Do employed individuals pay for healtcare benefits or is it free but their employer has to pay for it?
The UK is single provider as opposed to Canada which is single payer. Within the UK the Welsh, English, and Scots have their own systems. It's "free" for everyone but in reality everyone pays because the costs are covered by general taxation. (There really isn't a free lunch).

 

[Exp_EngTech]

CaptJackSparrow : And half of the 50,000+ buyers on the Leaf List is from “Kahl-eee-fornee-ya”.   (Quote)



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