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How many of you have had your Volt accidentally left on?

  • Yes, I have accidentally left the car powered on.

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On the current generation Sonata and Elantra(Gas and Hybrid), Hyundai sounds the door-lock chirp notification when you step out of the running vehicle with the proximity keys. The sound changes from a "chirp" to a constant "squeal" tone that lasts for 10 seconds to remind you the car is running and you have walked away with the keys. You cannot miss that sound, but it only seems necessary for a hybrid or vehicle equipped with start-stop technology.


Regarding the Volt and lack of such feature, I agree with moshe_levy, a fail-safe or external notification is a trivial feature to add. I would not mind it activating the pedestrian alert, or the same "keys left in vehicle" alert.. but a "do not (re)start ICE in park without keys present or user prompt" would probably be safest. Most forum members here would likely never utilize the feature, but spouses/friends/generic-family-buyer would be the most likely to need it. (I have had my mind blown by comments about the Volt so far... and "the plug hose needing to be bigger so the liquid electric stuff will fill the tank faster").
 

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We are starting to beat a dead horse here. There are legitimate safety reasons to NOT automatically turn off the car if it is left on (http://ggweather.com/heat/).

I think the correct solution is stronger/louder alerts whenever a car is left on... for ANY reason (including the asinine ones as cited above). I like WOT's boxing glove idea.

By the way, this is a MUCH more serious threat with conventional ICE cars (with keyless ignition) owned by elderly people who have poor hearing and/or poor memory. With a continuously running ICE, carbon monoxide build-up is much faster and more assured.
 

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We are starting to beat a dead horse here. There are legitimate safety reasons to NOT automatically turn off the car if it is left on (http://ggweather.com/heat/).
I guess that depends on your definition of "legitimate." I'm thinking about it from an average Joe's prism of news. "Today, a family died when the socialist Obamamobile Chevrolet Volt - one that hasn't caught fire YET - turned on the gas engine automatically while in the enclosed garage, released poison exhaust which killed everone in their sleep. GM says a legitimate reason not to have a failsafe introduced (to a driving public that defines the words "distracted scatterbrains') is to ward off potential hyperthermia for parents who leave their children unattended in a running Volt, in extreme heat, for hours at a time."

Now, tell me you're serious about this as "legitimate." I would argue, in fact, that it's the opposite - especially in light of the sort of horrendously negative coverage the car already gets (unfairly) from many news "sources."

-MKL
 

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Care to provide the source for that quote?

CO emission in a closed garage has been discussed in this forum at great length, and there are many here who believe that the Volt simply cannot generate sufficient carbon monoxide to poison anyone. The Volt's ICE only runs for a few minutes, and then shuts down for an extended period, like an hour or more. In combination with a close-coupled catalytic converter, it's just difficult to imagine unintentionally killing anyone by carbon monoxide poisoning with a Volt.

As I said, the concern is much more significant with a modern (quiet and keyless) ICE-based car.
 

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"That is clearly a very serious concern. So, once more I ask, please tell us how much CO to expect from a Volt running in a confined space. Let us know what your research reveals of the amount of carbon monoxide that accumulates from the Volts ULEV or AT- PZEV configurations. "

Correction. I incorrectly associated two deaths to the Prius. They were Toyota, but not Prius. I can't say if the CO emissions from this car would be lethal or not. I don't get the feeling GM decided not to include an external warning system because they didnt think CO emitted from the Volt wouldnt kill people. I submitted a request 2 weeks ago through my advisor, and have received nothing in return.
 

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As I said, the concern is much more significant with a modern (quiet and keyless) ICE-based car.
I can't point you to source data, but the CEO of a company making popular aftermarket "remote start" products told me that they and all OEMs limit the amount of run time following a remote start such that a car in an enclosed garage would not generate enough CO to kill a person. I don't know how these thresholds of CO would compare to a VOLT cycling on/off in a worst case scenario (maybe cold weather with comfort heat and seat warmers cranked up, forcing ICE to stay on a lot).
 

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If it is left on and I walk away with the keys will it shut off after a certain period of time?
 

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If it is left on and I walk away with the keys will it shut off after a certain period of time?
As far as we know, the Volt will not shut itself off until it has run out of gas. Once the battery has run down to it's low setpoint (which could take many hours), the ICE will run occasionally for brief periods (maybe a minute or two every half hour or so). The Volt's optimized engine and close-coupled catalytic converter help minimize discharge of noxious fumes.

All that said, obviously it's better not to leave any vehicle running unattended for any reason. Despite all the safety features in modern cars, under unfortunate circumstances they still can become dangerous beasts.
 

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On the current generation Sonata and Elantra(Gas and Hybrid), Hyundai sounds the door-lock chirp notification when you step out of the running vehicle with the proximity keys. The sound changes from a "chirp" to a constant "squeal" tone that lasts for 10 seconds to remind you the car is running and you have walked away with the keys. You cannot miss that sound, but it only seems necessary for a hybrid or vehicle equipped with start-stop technology.


Regarding the Volt and lack of such feature, I agree with moshe_levy, a fail-safe or external notification is a trivial feature to add. I would not mind it activating the pedestrian alert, or the same "keys left in vehicle" alert.. but a "do not (re)start ICE in park without keys present or user prompt" would probably be safest. Most forum members here would likely never utilize the feature, but spouses/friends/generic-family-buyer would be the most likely to need it. (I have had my mind blown by comments about the Volt so far... and "the plug hose needing to be bigger so the liquid electric stuff will fill the tank faster").
Not accidentally, but I turned it on while plugged in to listen to the radio while I worked in the garage. I went into the house intending to come back and do some more work but I wound up leaving the car on for 2 or 3 days. I did not realize the batter was depleted until I walked by the car and the ICE was running. If I remember correctly the car used 1/4 to 1/8 of a tank of fuel
 

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I parked at the Denver nature museum. Thankfully, I caught the car starting to roll backwards which would have rolled straight into another car. A couple of weeks of "make darn sure that car is OFF" set my bearings back. That is one quiet car.
 

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How about the ice not engaging when there is no one sitting in the drivers seat weather driving or parked. just like the key fob warning system chimes when there is no weight on the drivers seat.
 

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The last 2 VWs that I own had a feature that if you left the lights on, AND the key was in the ignition and the ignition was ON (engine running or not running) a high pitched BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP would be generated as soon as the driver's door was opened. Also, a bright LED would emit from the location of the headlight switch. This worked very well, as the noise was unique, loud, and the light directed your attention right to the problem (you left the lights on, dummy!).

The reason it only did this when the ignition was also ON was because in that scenario the headlights would be on (rather than just the parking lights).

I think the Volt's problem here is that the warning chimes are too pleasant, and sound too much like all the other beeping and booping the car makes. I think all the volt needs is a different warning - high pitched loud, constant beep, with the two screens flashing a single message "You left the car ON dummy!" :)
 

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I've had my 2013 for over 6 weeks now - I've intentionally left it on several times to keep the pup cool while I made a quick pit-stop. There is a distinct three tones Alert that repeats after a slight pause - I have to use the Key-Remote Fob to lock the doors as the Electrically connected Door Lock Pop-Up when pressed nicely locks all the doors but immediately pops back up as the Car is ON and my Fob is In-Range of the Door Sensor - a nice additional reminder that its still ON. I get three rapid Horn Chirps if I close the door with the Car Off and the Fob (or me with it sit'n-chill'n) inside.

Once when I was distracted I started to exit and forgot to power-off but the Alert Tones like I may have left the lights on made me do a double take - Oops! Overall I like the fact that I can intentionally leave it on using battery or gas so that the cabin stays conditioned.

I have read all the Owners Manual and Features Sheets - there is a Low Battery Preserve System for the 12V Battery in the Back below the Floor Hatch. I don't know how this feature functions - if at all - because I've no way to test it to confirm that it made it into the 2013 Build that I have or not - I know that sometimes the Owner's Manual has descriptions that never make it into the Actual Build Cycle. If anyone has experience with this Low Battery Protection feature I'd like to know if it is in the 2013 cars or is just the nice feature of turning off the Dome Light after 20 mins if it was left on - which isn't a 'Low Battery Feature' per se its more of a Convenience Feature.

I like the operating functionality just the way it is for now - it stays on if I left it on - it reminds me if I try to turn it off while it isn't in Park to put it in Park - I'd like how even without the Key Fob I can sit in the unlocked car and turn the Radio On - I like how the Radio / Acc Power will stay on for a short while after Power-Off - I'd like it if there was a way to turn the Accessory Power Always On for one of the three Convenience 12V Outlets to charge a Dead Cell Phone or other useful devices. Many of the various cars I rent frequently have at least one Always On 12V Outlet - I'd like it if the USB Power was Always On too. And yes I know its User-Beware of forgetting to pull it out if you go on a trip and leave your cell phone / GPS / etc charging in the car you will need a Jump when you get back.
 

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I guess that depends on your definition of "legitimate." I'm thinking about it from an average Joe's prism of news. "Today, a family died when the socialist Obamamobile Chevrolet Volt - one that hasn't caught fire YET - turned on the gas engine automatically while in the enclosed garage, released poison exhaust which killed everone in their sleep. GM says a legitimate reason not to have a failsafe introduced (to a driving public that defines the words "distracted scatterbrains') is to ward off potential hyperthermia for parents who leave their children unattended in a running Volt, in extreme heat, for hours at a time."

Now, tell me you're serious about this as "legitimate." I would argue, in fact, that it's the opposite - especially in light of the sort of horrendously negative coverage the car already gets (unfairly) from many news "sources."

-MKL
Great headline. And once again would someone, please tell us how much CO to expect from a Volt running in a confined space. Let us know what your research reveals of the amount of carbon monoxide that accumulates from the Volts ULEV or AT- PZEV and close set cat converter configurations. What specifically happens when the Volt's emission control systems reprocess exhaust gasses again and again in a confined space? Without this information do we know that there is a serious concern, or a series of assumptions?
 

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I did it today, no excuse but I've only had the car three days.

My first clue when I walked back to the car about 20 minutes later was it was not locked, guess I'm lucky no one jumped in and drove off.

I flew airplanes for a living and we had a saying that referred to running out of fuel or landing with the gear up (I never did either) "there's them that have and them that will."
 

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I've had my 2013 for over 6 weeks now - I've intentionally left it on several times to keep the pup cool while I made a quick pit-stop. There is a distinct three tones Alert that repeats after a slight pause - I have to use the Key-Remote Fob to lock the doors as the Electrically connected Door Lock Pop-Up when pressed nicely locks all the doors but immediately pops back up as the Car is ON and my Fob is In-Range of the Door Sensor - a nice additional reminder that its still ON. I get three rapid Horn Chirps if I close the door with the Car Off and the Fob (or me with it sit'n-chill'n) inside.

Once when I was distracted I started to exit and forgot to power-off but the Alert Tones like I may have left the lights on made me do a double take - Oops! Overall I like the fact that I can intentionally leave it on using battery or gas so that the cabin stays conditioned.

I have read all the Owners Manual and Features Sheets - there is a Low Battery Preserve System for the 12V Battery in the Back below the Floor Hatch. I don't know how this feature functions - if at all - because I've no way to test it to confirm that it made it into the 2013 Build that I have or not - I know that sometimes the Owner's Manual has descriptions that never make it into the Actual Build Cycle. If anyone has experience with this Low Battery Protection feature I'd like to know if it is in the 2013 cars or is just the nice feature of turning off the Dome Light after 20 mins if it was left on - which isn't a 'Low Battery Feature' per se its more of a Convenience Feature.

I like the operating functionality just the way it is for now - it stays on if I left it on - it reminds me if I try to turn it off while it isn't in Park to put it in Park - I'd like how even without the Key Fob I can sit in the unlocked car and turn the Radio On - I like how the Radio / Acc Power will stay on for a short while after Power-Off - I'd like it if there was a way to turn the Accessory Power Always On for one of the three Convenience 12V Outlets to charge a Dead Cell Phone or other useful devices. Many of the various cars I rent frequently have at least one Always On 12V Outlet - I'd like it if the USB Power was Always On too. And yes I know its User-Beware of forgetting to pull it out if you go on a trip and leave your cell phone / GPS / etc charging in the car you will need a Jump when you get back.
I totally agree with you on all points. Always used to leave my work cell phone in my old car.. Helped keep me from having to go back home to get it. I'm kinda bummed I can't do that now.

I haven't tried leaving the car on for any length of time, but I do think it would be good if it had a timer. Say 20 minutes running with no key fob in it, and not moving out of park, it should shut off. I would think that could even be a configurable setting for people that want longer. I'm still learning a lot about the car, but I wait for the horn chirp and light to tell me it's charging when I get home, so it's unlikely I'll just forget it's running.
 

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I haven't tried leaving the car on for any length of time, but I do think it would be good if it had a timer. Say 20 minutes running with no key fob in it, and not moving out of park, it should shut off. I would think that could even be a configurable setting for people that want longer. I'm still learning a lot about the car, but I wait for the horn chirp and light to tell me it's charging when I get home, so it's unlikely I'll just forget it's running.

Automatically turning off a parked car potentially is very dangerous, and likely violates saftey regulations.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...in-hot-vehicles-prompt-u-s-safety-review.html

I realize it is utterly idiotic to leave a child or animal in a car, but no car manufacturer wants to be responsible for making the problem even worse, by turning off the car on a timer.
 

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In VA it's illegal to leave a running car unattended. It's also illegal to have windshield wipers on without headlights. I mention the latter as all car companies made that automatic as a result.

There's no way a Volt should be staying on if you take the fob with you out of range, that's a bug, not a feature, and they should fix it.
 

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Texting update of car conditions?

Maybe if the Alerts on the smartphone app included an 'inactivity condition in an ON state' alert to your phone like the charging and other text alerts, that would be a quick fix. Even if it were to text you that 'your I.C.E. will be activated' text for any condition when the car is in Park and the charging cable is connected would be an advantage.

I have a garage, a 2013 Volt and willing to put the car through any cycle you want, if someone spells out what situation my Volt should be in, how it should be 'left unattended' I can try out any situation with it. I can leave the garage open a bit as well as monitor the car from my Webcam from any device in my home/office.
 
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