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Andy thinks we need to go to an all-electric energy economy. He doesn't explicitly mention the Volt, but describes its concept as a key to our future energy solution. See Link.
 

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I'll sum it up for you who don't have the time to read it:

Build hybrid electric vehicles.


If this was said 10 years ago I would be impressed. Duh. Just kidding Andy. If it comes from your mouth it carries a lot more weight then what the rest of us have to say. Keep up the good work. Unfortuately, the government won't listen or can't act. Frustrating, huh?
 

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I wondered why Andy Grove suddenly piped up after years of obscurity, now I no why. He had a piece in the Washington Post about Energy Independence being the wrong goal, and we should instead go after "energy resilience?" - whatever that means.

Now that Republicans have seized on these issues in a manner more palatible to the electorate than leftist environmentalists, libs are working hard to reclaim the issues using their own vocabulary. Unfortunately, their choice of words is vague at best, whereas Energy Independence is a perfectly clear and simple message.

Too late Grove! Go back to whatever you were doing before, T. Boone Pickens and the Reps know how to ween the US off foreign oil without your "contribution".
 

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Andy Grove is a brilliant visionary, author, teacher, and leader, who has been instrumental in developing the intellectual, technical, and business framework of one of the most dynamic and far-reaching industries of our time. Just as history repeats itself, he could have a significant influence in promoting the coming EV age. As a writer, exceptional thinker, and advocate, he has the potential for advancing the cultural and political climate for the acceptance of EVs. He is to be welcomed as an ally. Besides that, Andy is one of my and Silicon Valley's heroes.
 

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With all due respect, I saw Andy Grove on a discussion panel one day, and he was a babbling idiot. He didn't present a single cogent thought, and was often wildly off topic in his talking points. He seemed so much more interested in trying to look smart by repeating old axioms, than in giving the current topics any serious thought.

He is, as I expected, just a liberal plant, trying to usurp the EV message for liberal political gains. He is far too late to add anything to the silicon or thin film movements, as silicon has gone as far as it can go, and thin film surpasses it in lower price and higher volume. The EV movement is well underway, as GM and others have found configurations that give EV's mass appeal.

If Andy Grove indeed developed the fabless silicon chip manufacturing business model, then I give him kudos, but nothing he has said has truly impressed me that he was the "visionary" behind it. Perhaps he got lucky with a vision, but his words betray that he is not. Case and point: he jumps on the EV band wagon after GM and Toyota announced plans for plug-in vehicles.
 

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Jason,

Equally with all due respect, if you review of "Physics and Technology of Semiconductor Devices", one of the foundational texts of the semiconductor industry, page thru it, and then insist he is a "babbling idiot", I will be compelled to give credence to your statement.

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Jason,

Equally with all due respect, if you review of "Physics and Technology of Semiconductor Devices", one of the foundational texts of the semiconductor industry, page thru it, and then insist he is a "babbling idiot", I will be compelled to give credence to your statement.

Best Regards,

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I would simply ask, "Who wrote it for him?" I was as giddy to hear Andy Grove speak as you are, until I actually heard him speak, and was dumbfounded by his sheer incoherence - his statements literally stopped the discussions cold, as no one knew what to make of his innane comments - the silence was deafening.
 

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The net roars with the sound of Andy

Jason,

Andy came to this country from Hungary, got his doctorate from Berkeley in 1963, joined Fairchild, and was assistant director of research and development in 1967. He was still a struggling, unknown, lab rat when, in 1967, this Physics text was published. Not in the position to afford, consider, or attract a ghost writer.

I googled Andy. In just the last month there were 50 hits about him and his advocacy of EVs. This includes foxnews, The American, and evworld, e.g..
http://www.american.com/archive/2008/july-august-magazine-contents/our-electric-future

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/27/andy-grove-offers-an-energy-solution/

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/06/30/intel-chairman-talks-electric

http://jalopnik.com/397703/ex+intel-chief-andy-grove-using-electric-cars-to-achieve-relevance

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374382,00.html

http://www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2008/06/29/biographical_info_on_ex_intel_head_andy_grove/

http://www.evworld.com/news.cfm?newsid=18549

He is presently lecturing in and will be teaching a graduate course at Stanford on EVs. He may be incoherent, but he clearly has a large audience and a position of great influence. I wish him well in our common goal, the promotion of EVs.


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Tom
 

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He is presently lecturing in and will be teaching a graduate course at Stanford on EVs. He may be incoherent, but he clearly has a large audience and a position of great influence. I wish him well in our common goal, the promotion of EVs.
What gives Andy Grove any credentials in the area of EV's? It would be far more likely that he speak about photo voltaics, coming from a silicon production background, but he has NO experience developing parts, sub-systems, systems or vehicles in the EV market.

It sounds like he is rapidly trying to pad his resume, so that he can make some liberal talking point statements with some weak, weak weak bona fides to support him.
 

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He seemed so much more interested in trying to look smart by repeating old axioms, than in giving the current topics any serious thought.
Sometimes, Jason, you hit the nail on the head. This time, you described yourself to a "T".
 

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I work with some absolutely brilliant men, at least when it comes to their area of specialty. PhDs up the ying-yang, quite literally, while I sit here with my lowly graduate degree. However, many of these guys have questionable common sense and very little in the way of intelligent thought when it comes to anything outside their field of specialty. It's quite laughable sometimes.

Not that I'm saying it's true with this guy, but I'll have to reserve judgement until I meet him.
 

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Sometimes, Jason, you hit the nail on the head. This time, you described yourself to a "T".
Surprising such a personal shot should come from you - I expected better.

Again, mark my words, Andy Grove is positioning himself to usurp the EV mantel from those who've actually worked on it, so that he can repeat liberal talking points prior to the upcoming election.
 

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Jason,

I started this thread. I posted what I thought was a very interesting post illustrating how yet another industrial giant has realized we are in deep doodoo if we don't make radical energy policy changes quickly. You hijacked it, turned it into a political diatribe, and concluded something completely off-the-wall.

Tom, using "all due respect", infinite patience, and laser-perfect research and logic, (thanks, Tom) attempted to politely bring the conversation back to my original intent, but you basically discounted his very valid points and mocked his politeness.

It seemed to me that the "all due respect" approach was going nowhere and as thread initiater, I had had enough. Sometimes, a bucket of cold water is final weapon of choice. Now get a towel, dry yourself off, and when you use the phrase, "with all due respect", actually mean it next time.

For everyone else's enjoyment, I have attached the link to Andy's complete article in "The American". My opinion - well-thought points from someone with clout.

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As I stated and as seen in that article, Andy Grove is jumping on this train late, telling people to move forward on things they are already doing and acting as if it is his vision. His main push is to obstruct the development of petroleum and natural gas fields in the domestic US and just offshore. While the price for petroleum and natural gas may be driven by a global market, the trade balance between the US and the rest of the world for petroleum is 100% dependent on production of those needed resources right here at home.

Andy Grove in no way could have put that article together by himself. Libs, in desparate search for a policy answer to Rep's "Energy Independence", are rehashing the works of entrepreneurs on alternative energy breakthroughs, while undermining our own countries efforts to produce more oil and natural gas. They needed a "credible" voice, and had to look for a babbling fossil all too happy to use and be used in this way.

Andy Grove is NOT an expert in alternative energies, and merely was a front row spectator of Intel's success, as his own ramblings on discussion panels confirm. Libs have no problem consuming his credibility in an attempt to win this upcoming election, but they will fail, as 70%+ of those polled want the US to start drilling off its shores.
 

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Yeah, the guy seems like a real idiot (read the bold print below). <sarcasm>

Early life and education
Grove was born to a middle-class Jewish family in Budapest, Hungary. Growing up, he was known to friends as "Andris". At the age of four, Andris was diagnosed with scarlet fever. The disease was nearly fatal, and while he survived, he suffered significant hearing loss as a result. During the Hungarian Revolution of 1956 he left his home and family under the cover of night and emigrated to the United States, arriving in New York City in 1957.[1] Grove and his wife Eva were married in 1958 and raised two daughters.

Grove earned a bachelor's degree in Chemical Engineering from the City College of New York in 1960, and earned the Ph.D. in Chemical Engineering from the University of California, Berkeley in 1963.


[edit] Career
Grove worked at Fairchild Semiconductor before becoming the third employee at the nascent Intel Corporation. He became Intel's president in 1979, its CEO in 1987, and its Chairman and CEO in 1997.

Grove is credited with having transformed Intel from a manufacturer of memory chips into one of the world's dominant producers of microprocessors. During his tenure as CEO, Grove oversaw a 4,500% increase in Intel's market capitalization from $18 billion to $197 billion, making it, at the time, the world's most valuable company.[2] He relinquished his CEO title in May 1998 and remained Chairman of the Board until November 2004. Grove continues his work at Intel as a senior advisor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Grove



Jason, maybe you are mistaking some of his communication problems with his intelligence and not due to his hearing problems. Oh, did you know Jack Welch of GE (CEO of the century) stutters? It's true! I met the man personally. Now please say that Mr. Welch is a lousy speaker and thus has little value. I dare you.
 

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I've read many of Jack Welch's books, and I've seen him interviewed countless times, and his spoken word matches his written words. He's direct, clear and concise.

I don't care if you make Andy Grove the Pope, his spoken word doesn't match his written word, so his inexplicable foray into electric vehicles only makes sense with his history as an ardent liberal hoping to throw his weight into this area to help his candidate. That is his perogative, but I am going to broadside him like an Exocet missle. He's late to the party, and trying to now take the reigns, so I am going to chop his hands off.
 

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Texas,

I've read many of Jack Welch's books, and I've seen him interviewed countless times, and his spoken word matches his written words. He's direct, clear and concise.

I don't care if you make Andy Grove the Pope, his spoken word doesn't match his written word, so his inexplicable foray into electric vehicles only makes sense with his history as an ardent liberal hoping to throw his weight into this area to help his candidate. That is his perogative, but I am going to broadside him like an Exocet missle. He's late to the party, and trying to now take the reigns, so I am going to chop his hands off.

I guess it's a good thing you have such a high perspective of yourself. Self confidence is good... Now move out of your mother's basement! ;)
 
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