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You can't provide enough of a free good so this is actually not bad news. Should dissuade Tesla owners who don't really need to charge but just want a freebie. Tesla might also decided to keep stations which are rarely used free. Have to see what is announced. On pricing, I'd say more than home charging.
 

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The chargepoint DC fast chargers all seem to be set at $9.95, if that means anything to you. :)
 

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Musk said that it would be less than a comparable cost for gas for an ICE car.

Of course, that figure would depend on the efficiency of the hypothetical ICE vehicle you're comparing it to and the price of gasoline at any given moment.

If you assumed 25 mpg and $2.50/gallon for the ICE vehicle and .35 kWh/mi for the Tesla being charged, that would work out to $0.28/kWh. But who knows at this point.
 

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Musk said that it would be less than a comparable cost for gas for an ICE car.

Of course, that figure would depend on the efficiency of the hypothetical ICE vehicle you're comparing it to and the price of gasoline at any given moment.

If you assumed 25 mpg and $2.50/gallon for the ICE vehicle and .35 kWh/mi for the Tesla being charged, that would work out to $0.28/kWh. But who knows at this point.
He also said the price would vary with locations as Tesla is not trying to make money off of it just use it as a pass through. So it seems it will be dependant on the price of electricity at your location. I imagine CA will be one of the higher prices to charge at. Then again if you don't do a lot of cross countries 1,000 miles a year should get most people to where they are going without having to pay for it.

Just like it was mentioned it will have the added benefit of freeing up chargers that use to be taken by locals who just live close and want a free charge.
 

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A co-worker has a Tesla and lives near me in southern IL which is about 37 miles from the St Charles MO SC. Here's how he helped to justify and afford his Tesla MS 85.

His daily commute is almost the same as mine 22 miles R/T about 150 miles a week.

He would drive over to the SC early Sunday morning and "fill up" for free, during his hour he read the paper, checked E-mail and sipped coffee at a nearby coffee shop. He would charge to the recommended 90% SOC and then drive home and plug in to his home Level II charger and top it off. Then he could drive all week on that charge. He claims he has never used more than the 200 miles or so of charge.

So he was only charging at home consumed about 13 to 14 kWh per week, and at 11.5 cents per kWh it was costing him about $1.50 a week to operate his CPO Tesla. He claims he has never gotten any nasty e-mails from Tesla about misuse of a SuperCharger.

I asked him if the new "pay to charge" policy would change his mind and he said "sure" it'll be cheaper to charge at home. But for now he's being grandfathered in the FREE FOR LIFE and doesn't plan on buying a new Tesla until his CPO warranty is about to end.

So this is a brilliant move by Tesla to ensure their SC network is available to support long distance travel. People will be people when it comes to getting something for FREE, sad to say.
 

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Tesla said it was going to be a kWh cost pass-through. They aren't going to profit from it. ....
Say What? Tesla really said that? In writing?
What is it about this company and NOT making a profit?

If a poor Tesla buyer missed the Gravy Train of Free-Fuel-for-Life and buys after the new year, why not make a token profit?
Those SC stations have to cost something to build.

What about when Tesla starts selling a Tesla-to-CCS adapter cable and allows other brands of EV's to charge?
Will that be profit-free also?
 

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A co-worker has a Tesla a....
>He would drive over to the SC early Sunday morning and "fill up" for free, ....

>>...But for now [?] he's being grandfathered in the FREE FOR LIFE and doesn't plan on buying a new Tesla until his CPO warranty is about to end.

>>>.... People will be people when it comes to getting something for FREE, sad to say.
>As he should. He paid for that benefit already!

>>Right. It's in the paperwork. NO TAKE BACKS.

>>>Why is this sad??? If you paid to have access to a Free Gas Station, but it's 15 miles away, wouldn't you still take advantage of that benefit?
 

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A co-worker has a Tesla and lives near me in southern IL which is about 37 miles from the St Charles MO SC. Here's how he helped to justify and afford his Tesla MS 85.

His daily commute is almost the same as mine 22 miles R/T about 150 miles a week.

He would drive over to the SC early Sunday morning and "fill up" for free, during his hour he read the paper, checked E-mail and sipped coffee at a nearby coffee shop. He would charge to the recommended 90% SOC and then drive home and plug in to his home Level II charger and top it off. Then he could drive all week on that charge. He claims he has never used more than the 200 miles or so of charge.

So he was only charging at home consumed about 13 to 14 kWh per week, and at 11.5 cents per kWh it was costing him about $1.50 a week to operate his CPO Tesla. He claims he has never gotten any nasty e-mails from Tesla about misuse of a SuperCharger.

I asked him if the new "pay to charge" policy would change his mind and he said "sure" it'll be cheaper to charge at home. But for now he's being grandfathered in the FREE FOR LIFE and doesn't plan on buying a new Tesla until his CPO warranty is about to end.

So this is a brilliant move by Tesla to ensure their SC network is available to support long distance travel. People will be people when it comes to getting something for FREE, sad to say.
Well your friend's free ac charging does come at a cost... the price of coffee and his time which could have been spent at home with the family or working on something. A coworker of mine started doing something similar, whenever shopping nearby our local SC, he would charge and stopped charging his car at home unless the battery was getting low. I wonder if you buy a used tesla from someone else whether you get free charging for life or whether you get stuck with the new deal?
 

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Well your friend's free ac charging does come at a cost... the price of coffee and his time which could have been spent at home with the family or working on something. A coworker of mine started doing something similar, whenever shopping nearby our local SC, he would charge and stopped charging his car at home unless the battery was getting low. I wonder if you buy a used tesla from someone else whether you get free charging for life or whether you get stuck with the new deal?
No doubt and I agree that he's entitled to do it since that's how it was sold and paid for. Since I don't own a Tesla I can only feel some pity for a "true" road warrior pulling into a SC somewhere and finding all the stalls occupied and have to wait. To be honest only Tesla could tell and ID who a "LOCAL" is? I doubt folks charging would volunteer that info given the sensitivity of the issue.

So if I owned a Tesla and had a SC nearby I'd have no qualms using it. But I think I'd vacate the stall if I was blocking another from charging.
 

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....So if I owned a Tesla and had a SC nearby I'd have no qualms using it. But I think I'd vacate the stall if I was blocking another from charging.
You, sir, have Good EV Etiquette !

Me too,, if they had out of state tags.:p
 

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Tesla said it was going to be a kWh cost pass-through. They aren't going to profit from it.
Well... they said they won't profit from Supercharger use overall. They didn't say that they won't charge users more than the cost of the energy.

More likely they will charge users more than the cost of the energy, but they will put that "extra" money towards maintenance or expansion of the Supercharger network. (I'm pretty sure the cost of the electricity is far less than the cost of installing and maintaining the chargers themselves.)
 

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Well... they said they won't profit from Supercharger use overall. They didn't say that they won't charge users more than the cost of the energy.

More likely they will charge users more than the cost of the energy, but they will put that "extra" money towards maintenance or expansion of the Supercharger network. (I'm pretty sure the cost of the electricity is far less than the cost of installing and maintaining the chargers themselves.)
Elon said it during a Q&A session. I've been trying to find the text for it. The cost of installing and maintenance of the SC infrastructure is covered by car purchases.
 

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Well... they said they won't profit from Supercharger use overall. They didn't say that they won't charge users more than the cost of the energy.

More likely they will charge users more than the cost of the energy, but they will put that "extra" money towards maintenance or expansion of the Supercharger network. (I'm pretty sure the cost of the electricity is far less than the cost of installing and maintaining the chargers themselves.)
He said they will pass on the cost of electricity at the current location. He didn't say that it would cost extra for maintenance but as always most on this forum just make wild assumptions that it will cost more that what Tesla is saying. I do understand it is hard for those who will be stuck paying a lot more for charging to not comprehend that Tesla is all about getting EV on the road and if you make charging more expensive or just as expensive as gas then you make it harder for people to justify buying an EV.

Now in the future when EV have hit 40 or 50 percent of the market he may jack up the price to make a little more profit but I don't see it happening anytime soon.
 

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He said they will pass on the cost of electricity at the current location. He didn't say that it would cost extra for maintenance but as always most on this forum just make wild assumptions that it will cost more that what Tesla is saying.
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Well, the service centers aren't for profit either, but that doesn't mean Tesla is charging a reasonable hourly rate. So I think its a decent assumption that some overhead will be rolled into the per kWh costs.
 

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No doubt and I agree that he's entitled to do it since that's how it was sold and paid for. Since I don't own a Tesla I can only feel some pity for a "true" road warrior pulling into a SC somewhere and finding all the stalls occupied and have to wait. To be honest only Tesla could tell and ID who a "LOCAL" is? I doubt folks charging would volunteer that info given the sensitivity of the issue.

So if I owned a Tesla and had a SC nearby I'd have no qualms using it. But I think I'd vacate the stall if I was blocking another from charging.
That's not a problem here, just yet. There are 8 superchargers, and at most I've only seen 2 Teslas charging at once. That's probably not true in the cities bigger than mine.

Funny thing, today my wife stole my volt and I ended up driving the suburban. Later in the evening she proclaimed that the volt should be hers and that I should get the future tesla. I guess the decision has been made, I'd better place an order right away - happy wife, happy life.
 

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... she proclaimed that the volt should be hers and that I should get the future tesla. I guess the decision has been made, I'd better place an order right away - happy wife, happy life.
Fantastic!
What do you estimate for the ETA of your new TM3?
There is a +200 mile BEV that is available now..

Buy the available one now, then when the stars align and you have the TM3 in your driveway,,,

I'd be happy to buy your used +200 mile BEV at a very reasonable price! (for me!):rolleyes:
 

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That's not a problem here, just yet. There are 8 superchargers, and at most I've only seen 2 Teslas charging at once. That's probably not true in the cities bigger than mine.

Funny thing, today my wife stole my volt and I ended up driving the suburban. Later in the evening she proclaimed that the volt should be hers and that I should get the future tesla. I guess the decision has been made, I'd better place an order right away - happy wife, happy life.
So, what you are saying is that until you get a Tesla you are driving the Suburban, and after you get a Tesla you can have your Volt back... because she will decide she wants the new Tesla when it arrives.

Keith
 
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