[madobee]

See the gmauthority.com article posted today (11/03)

 

[bro1999]

48 *corridors*, not stations.
#EditorFail

 

[imanjunk1963]

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/11...e-charging-stations-across-the-united-states/

 

[Qinsp]

It will be interesting to see the level of participation by General Motors now that they will have their first nationally available pure EV.

IMO it was very slimy for certain media reporters to keep questioning GM about why they don't have a SuperCharger network. The fact GM did not make or sell cars that needed it did not matter. It was just very important for some reason to say 'General Motors Said They Will Never, Ever, Ever, Participate in EV Infrastructure!'.

I'm not sure if it was just misguided enthusiasm by EV zealots, or a darker motive of trying to keep one of the larger car companies from successfully offering EVs on the national market. Sometime Brand T zealots can be more destructive than Exxon when it comes to green technology advancement.

 

[wws]

The article seems pretty content free to me. All it seems to be saying is that the Bolt EV will be able to use ("sign on to") the CCS stations that BMW and VW have already put in place. But we knew that would be the case a year ago.

 

[Steverino]

"The White House said on Thursday it will establish 48 national electric-vehicle (EV) charging networks on nearly 25,000 miles of highways in 35 U.S. states."

"The corridors were required to be established by December under a 2015 highway law.

The Federal Highway Administration on Thursday unveiled new roadside signs to help motorists find charging stations. The White House said drivers can expect either existing or planned charging stations within every 50 miles"


California will provide EV charging at a minimum of 5 percent of state-owned parking spaces by 2020.


The city of Atlanta will add 300 charging stations at Hartsfield-Jackson International Airport by the end of 2017.


Los Angeles is also adding another 500 charging stations by 2017.

 

[wws]

Ah - some clarity from a different site. Here is what the gov't is thinking as far as an initial map. Click on the 'EV Charging, US' box: http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/alternative_fuel_corridors/maps/

Here is the bill that was enacted: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-114publ94/pdf/PLAW-114publ94.pdf. Scroll down to page 107 - ‘‘§ 151. National electric vehicle charging and hydrogen, propane, and natural gas fueling corridors".

I couldn't find any commitment to DC fast charging along those corridors. But obviously it would be desirable.

 

[Norton]

Big Charging Network announcement !!

I guess this is from July, but I just heard about it last night on NPR !!


https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...stration-announces-federal-and-private-sector

Just what us BEV owners need for road trippin !

 

[Norton]

NPR mentioned this last night.
I only found this so far, from July: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-pres...stration-announces-federal-and-private-sector

 

[Barry]

That is an awesome plan that is sorely needed. But before those investments are made, I think a priority should be put on arriving at a standard system for fast charging. It is not helpful that we have some CCS, some Chademo, and some Tesla infrastructure. I doubt Tesla will comply with a standard, but there should at least be a non-Tesla standard. Gasoline pump filler nozzles are fully standardized. We need the same for fast charging.

 

[Taser54]

Loan guarantees for charging stations. It will be interesting to see how the car manufacturers participate in this. Are they going to install the chargers on the interstates themselves, utilizing the loans? Or is this just a matter of the car manufacturers offering input as to the type/level of chargers?

 

[Qinsp]

Since only BMW, GM, and Nissan are involved with this program; Ford, Fiat/Chrysler, Tesla, VW, Mercedes, Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi, Hyundai/Kia failed to participate, it makes you wonder what the program really is.

Most of the participants are utilities or EV charging related.

 

[BAZINGA]

Reading posts on the Tesla Forum of course they are crying foul and claiming the Big XXX auto makers are getting another hand out. They also say Tesla has an obligation to stay out of it until such a time as they think it makes sense and then design an adaptor that will allow Tesla's to use those chargers.

But this could the game changer we need to kick start EV production/sales/adaptation.

 

[Steverino]

Reading posts on the Tesla Forum of course they are crying foul and claiming the Big XXX auto makers are getting another hand out.

Tesla decided to pursue a proprietary charging scheme. 'nuff said.

 

[hvacman]

That is an awesome plan that is sorely needed. But before those investments are made, I think a priority should be put on arriving at a standard system for fast charging. It is not helpful that we have some CCS, some Chademo, and some Tesla infrastructure. I doubt Tesla will comply with a standard, but there should at least be a non-Tesla standard. Gasoline pump filler nozzles are fully standardized. We need the same for fast charging.

Yes we do need the same for fast charging, and have it. SAE International (Society of Automotive Engineers) is THE world's organization for automotive standards. Guess who developed the standards for gasoline and diesel fuel dispenser nozzles? The SAE - standard #J285. And guess what - the Level 1/Level 2 AC charge port in just about every EV manufactured in the past 8 years is an SAE standard - #J1772. The SAE began the process to expand that standard to DCFC at the same time, but the Japanese went their own way with CHademo as did Tesla did their SC port. The SAE standard is the "CCS" charge port and VW, BMW, Ford, GM, Chrysler, and most other SAE-supporting auto manufacturers building EV's are standardizing on it. The SAE is now working on a 150 kW/300 kW CCS standard for ultra-high charge rates.They just released a wireless charging standard and are aggressively working to flesh it out in tune with developments in that arena.

SAE standards are open standards, usually developed through volunteer committees of the world's most-talented and experienced automotive engineers, representing manufacturers who actually care about developing and applying open standards.

 

[Raymondjram]

That is an awesome plan that is sorely needed. But before those investments are made, I think a priority should be put on arriving at a standard system for fast charging. It is not helpful that we have some CCS, some Chademo, and some Tesla infrastructure. I doubt Tesla will comply with a standard, but there should at least be a non-Tesla standard. Gasoline pump filler nozzles are fully standardized. We need the same for fast charging.

That "non-Tesla" standard is the SAE CCS. Over 90% of EV manufacturers will support it. Even a Model S can use it with an adapter. And according to Tesla Motors management, the adapter is approved for all their models. So even the "fanboys" can get a charge at a SAE CCS station when the Superchargers are overcrowded or unavailable.

 

[11715]

Reading posts on the Tesla Forum of course they are crying foul and claiming the Big XXX auto makers are getting another hand out. They also say Tesla has an obligation to stay out of it until such a time as they think it makes sense and then design an adaptor that will allow Tesla's to use those chargers.

But this could the game changer we need to kick start EV production/sales/adaptation.

Which Tesla forum? I would like to see what they have to say.

 

[Steverino]

That "non-Tesla" standard is the SAE CCS. Over 90% of EV manufacturers will support it. Even a Model S can use it with an adapter. And according to Tesla Motors management, the adapter is approved for all their models. So even the "fanboys" can get a charge at a SAE CCS station when the Superchargers are overcrowded or unavailable.

And how many CCS stations has Tesla installed? Zero?

Seems like Tesla could simply install 6 or so CCS bays in each of their SSC network charge station locations to service non-Telsa EV's. They could get in on the government "corridors" that way, and also sell a charge plan. But that would take away one of the Tesla selling points, their exclusive network. It would also take away one of the frequently used slams against the Bolt EV. Telsa may eventually do CCS, but not if it may risk Model 3 sales.

 

[volt11]

It will be interesting to see the level of participation by General Motors now that they will have their first nationally available pure EV.

IMO it was very slimy for certain media reporters to keep questioning GM about why they don't have a SuperCharger network. The fact GM did not make or sell cars that needed it did not matter. It was just very important for some reason to say 'General Motors Said They Will Never, Ever, Ever, Participate in EV Infrastructure!'.

They at least strongly implied that they would stay out of the infrastructure business, straight from Mary Barra. Something like, "we believe in investing in things that benefit ALL GM customers." Possibly the dumbest thing that ever left her lips, and I'm really just fine with there being continuing repercussions from it. Bad policy deserves bad consequences, even lingering ones when the facts have changed.

That said, I'm relieved that there is some reversal here and that they are now part of this coalition. It's a start anyway. Now wouldn't it be wonderful if the Volt could at least charge at 7.2Kw and make potential real use of a charging infrastructure while stopping for meals or whatever? I figure if GM is coming out of its stupor, it might as well address all of the lingering issues.

 

[alfon]

Tesla decided to pursue a proprietary charging scheme. 'nuff said.

I believe Tesla owners have an adapter they can use to go from a standard charging handle like the Volt has to a tesla handle.