[bro1999]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/mone...eneral-motors-autonomous-car-bolt/1027465001/

GM wants to start testing Bolt AVs that don't have a steering wheel or pedals. Would certainly cut some costs! Who needs a steering wheel and pedals in a truly autonomous car anyways?

 

[El Dobro]

GM wants to start testing Bolt AVs that don't have a steering wheel or pedals. Would certainly cut some costs! Who needs a steering wheel and pedals in a truly autonomous car anyways?

Me. It would be my luck I get one that becomes self-aware and takes me for a ride off a cliff.

 

[Loboc]

Wow. Way further along than the competition.

Building these AV vehicles on a real assembly line has accelerated Cruise Automation’s progress. This eliminates variation from hand-building wiring and automation assemblies.

 

[BAZINGA]

As a baby boomer growing up with hot rods and muscle cars and being a gear head (having owned 6 Corvette's) I can tell you as I get older I could learn to appreciate having at least one car in my life I could hop in, tell it where I want to go, have it drop me off at the door, park itself and then come get me when I need to leave. I'm home sick with the nasty flu/cold bug that has hit our community and I needed to go to the doctor then the pharmacist to pick up some meds and I can tell you my cognitive skills were greatly reduced and to be honest I shouldn't have been driving.

 

[bro1999]

The "Cruise AV" interior:

https://insideevs.com/first-look-at-chevy-bolt-autonomous-interior-without-steering-wheel-or-pedals/

 

[Highroller]

Me. It would be my luck I get one that becomes self-aware and takes me for a ride off a cliff.

Me too, they can't even fix Onstar

 

[DonC]

GM has said it wants to roll out the autonomous service in Q1 of 2019. That's right around the corner. I hope they can get the federal regulators to make it happen on schedule.

Wow. Way further along than the competition.

Building these AV vehicles on a real assembly line has accelerated Cruise Automation’s progress. This eliminates variation from hand-building wiring and automation assemblies.

Waymo is certainly right with them or ahead, but yeah, this is a huge deal. Then again GM did promise the financial community a roll out, and I don't think Mary would have stood at the podium and done that without a reasonable chance of success.

Super interesting though.

Me too, they can't even fix Onstar

Luckily the two groups have no connection. Even the group that developed SuperCruise which seems to work great has no connection to the group working on autonomy. I was surprised at the lack of connection between these two groups. I know one is in the Bay Area and one in MI but I assumed there would be more collaboration.

 

[Steverino]

The shifter is also gone. Possibly the rear and side view mirrors?

 

[bro1999]

More details here: https://www.greencarreports.com/new...lectric-bolt-ev-to-go-into-production-in-2019

Says the Cruise AVs will be outfitted with self-closing doors for hearing/vision impaired people...or people that just forget to close the door.

 

[Mister Dave]

I hope that button bottom-center in the dash is the panic button. No machine should ever be without an emergency stop.

I'll guess there will be a backup USB connected set of controls that can be plugged in. There are a lot of situations where it could be needed, if not just helpful.

 

[sparks]

If you hold GM stock, it might be wise to divest in advance of 2019! (Unless GM is able to achieve 1000x better functioning and reliability on these extremely complex systems than I'm seeing in my 2016 Volt's infotainment system.)

 

[LittleJoe]

I remember the first car I had with cruise control. It was a weird feeling when I felt the gas pedal pull away from my right foot when I engaged it for the first time. Wouldn't be without it now. But a fully self driving car? That would take some getting used to.

 

[Steverino]

If you hold GM stock, it might be wise to divest in advance of 2019! (Unless GM is able to achieve 1000x better functioning and reliability on these extremely complex systems than I'm seeing in my 2016 Volt's infotainment system.)

Certainly you could perhaps make that leap comparing the Volt to the Bolt's infotainment system, ignoring they are from two different sources.

But trying to apply that logic to the lidar and camera sensor system hardware and software (all developed by teams outside of the infotainment group) is a stretch so far that it breaks. Plus, 40% of the Bolt EV AV is totally different than the Bolt EV, and nothing is shared with the current Volt. So your attempt to claim there will be issues is a bit like claiming the carpenter on a new house will likely be lousy because whoever painted a two year old house down the street had some issues.

By the way, while I cant speak to Gen 2 Volt, I have no issues with the infotainment system on either my 2011 Volt or my very different 2017 Bolt EV system. So based on your criteria, the Chevy Bolt EV AV will be trouble free.

 

[sparks]

Certainly you could perhaps make that leap comparing the Volt to the Bolt's infotainment system, ignoring they are from two different sources.

But trying to apply that logic to the lidar and camera sensor system hardware and software (all developed by teams outside of the infotainment group) is a stretch so far that it breaks. Plus, 40% of the Bolt EV AV is totally different than the Bolt EV, and nothing is shared with the current Volt. So your attempt to claim there will be issues is a bit like claiming the carpenter on a new house will likely be lousy because whoever painted a two year old house down the street had some issues.

By the way, while I cant speak to Gen 2 Volt, I have no issues with the infotainment system on either my 2011 Volt or my very different 2017 Bolt EV system. So based on your criteria, the Chevy Bolt EV AV will be trouble free.

The logic does not break, rather it becomes reinforced. To fix your analogy, we are now asking a carpenter to build a life-support habitat on mars, a far cry from a humble house.

<Standard disclaimer -- sorry I left it out> I love my 2016 Volt but I detest some of its cost-saving measures, one of which is a very unreliable infotainment system (and another the GPS). Sorry I can't provide purely fanboy praise -- I wish I could! But hats off to the seamless EREV system, which seems nothing short of perfect.

 

[Mister Dave]

I remember the first car I had with cruise control. It was a weird feeling when I felt the gas pedal pull away from my right foot when I engaged it for the first time. Wouldn't be without it now. But a fully self driving car? That would take some getting used to.

I agree. It starts with trust. As per my e-stop remark, I want to have a fail-safe I can engage. Having built a number of machines on the controls side, I have a strong opinion about how much trust a machine deserves. When it comes in contact with humans, that's near zero. Each has to be kept from destroying the other, and/or itself.

 

[Dutch]

The "Cruise AV" interior:

https://insideevs.com/first-look-at-chevy-bolt-autonomous-interior-without-steering-wheel-or-pedals/

Now how the hell am I gonna call "Shotgun" in that?

 

[quirkySquirt]

Certainly you could perhaps make that leap comparing the Volt to the Bolt's infotainment system, ignoring they are from two different sources.

But trying to apply that logic to the lidar and camera sensor system hardware and software (all developed by teams outside of the infotainment group) is a stretch so far that it breaks. Plus, 40% of the Bolt EV AV is totally different than the Bolt EV, and nothing is shared with the current Volt. So your attempt to claim there will be issues is a bit like claiming the carpenter on a new house will likely be lousy because whoever painted a two year old house down the street had some issues.

By the way, while I cant speak to Gen 2 Volt, I have no issues with the infotainment system on either my 2011 Volt or my very different 2017 Bolt EV system. So based on your criteria, the Chevy Bolt EV AV will be trouble free.

If you hold GM stock, it might be wise to divest in advance of 2019! (Unless GM is able to achieve 1000x better functioning and reliability on these extremely complex systems than I'm seeing in my 2016 Volt's infotainment system.)

I've had the Volt for 14 months and had no stability issues running AA. The 3 months with the Bolt I've had some weird infotainment issues: HVAC control lockout due to shifter knob, AA not engaging after connecting phone (required Bolt on/off to fix, not just reboot of phone), and FM music swapped to AA music for some odd reason.

 

[Upper5Percent]

I hope that button bottom-center in the dash is the panic button. No machine should ever be without an emergency stop.

I'll guess there will be a backup USB connected set of controls that can be plugged in. There are a lot of situations where it could be needed, if not just helpful.

Nope...that's the ejection seat engagement...

 

[Mister Dave]

Nope...that's the ejection seat engagement...

Not a terrible backup plan, all things considered.

 

[Steverino]

I've had the Volt for 14 months and had no stability issues running AA. The 3 months with the Bolt I've had some weird infotainment issues: HVAC control lockout due to shifter knob, AA not engaging after connecting phone (required Bolt on/off to fix, not just reboot of phone), and FM music swapped to AA music for some odd reason.

AA = Android Auto? I use and iPhone. thought I saw there was a new Android update available for dealer install. But it proves sparks point that you should sell GM stock.

I'm getting questions like, "how does the Bolt EV AV decide who lives if it has to pick between hitting a pedestrian and swerving and hitting a pole?"

I'm thinking the answer is neither. With a faster reaction time it hits the brakes.