[Jim Fallston Md.]

Check out the 2 links that I poached from the Bolt EV forum.


https://electrek.co/2017/06/09/gm-chevy-bolt-orders-nationwide-deliveries-august/#more-45656

https://electrek.co/2017/05/25/chevy-bolt-vs-tesla/

 

[Ladogaboy]

Yup. This is great, and I'd say, "About time!" They've had > 5,000 available for purchase for the last month, and they are only moving ~1,500 a month in those states. Time to let everyone in on the fun.

I hope the next announcement is that they are ramping up European and Korean (anywhere else in Asia?) deliveries.

 

[Sean Nelson]

I hope the next announcement is that they are ramping up European and Korean (anywhere else in Asia?)
deliveries.

Hey, let's not forget Canada!!!!

 

[Ladogaboy]

Hey, let's not forget Canada!!!!

I meant, all across America... All of America! Go Canada!

 

[HC-DC]

Hey, what happened to your videos on YouTube. I really enjoyed them

 

[Ladogaboy]

Hey, what happened to your videos on YouTube. I really enjoyed them

Hey, thanks!

I started spreading myself too thin. I'll be back soon!

 

[BAZINGA]

just last week Tesla listed a bunch of CPO MS' for high thirties/low fourties. Yes they are high mileage and only come with a 2 year CPO like warranty, but dam, if I had planned on spending that on a Bolt, I'd have to think hard on which vehicle I'd be buying.

 

[Qinsp]

just last week Tesla listed a bunch of CPO MS' for high thirties/low fourties. Yes they are high mileage and only come with a 2 year CPO like warranty, but dam, if I had planned on spending that on a Bolt, I'd have to think hard on which vehicle I'd be buying.

Right now over 25% of the Bolt inventory is less than 50 miles away from me. The total price after all rebates, discounts, taxes, etc, of a $43,420 Bolt EV Premier is $31,430 with many to choose from.

The equivalent range in a used Tesla will be found in 85's. CPO 85's start at $45,900 OTD ($42,500 + 8% tax + $0 dest ). >50k miles and 2 yr warranty or 100k total odometer, whichever comes first.

There is some significant technology differences that were not on base Teslas in 2013/2014.

This is GM's 2017 AEB system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK8gVr0x6_w a Tesla will run over the targets.

Interesting reading about a 40,000 mile test of a Model S P85D: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-tesla-model-s-p85d-ev-long-term-test-wrap-up

 

[Ladogaboy]

just last week Tesla listed a bunch of CPO MS' for high thirties/low fourties. Yes they are high mileage and only come with a 2 year CPO like warranty, but dam, if I had planned on spending that on a Bolt, I'd have to think hard on which vehicle I'd be buying.

For the same price pre-incentives, I'd still take the Bolt EV, but the charging infrastructure out here in California makes the two cars roughly equivalent for daily driving purposes. The CPO MS would have to drop to the high twenties to make up for the current incentives available for a new Bolt EV. On my longest regular trips, the Supercharging network would only save me (being generous) 45 minutes, and that is on a trip that varies between 9 and 12 hours depending on traffic anyway. Plus, my parking, living, and driving situation might make the Model S a bit of a hassle.

It would probably make a better car for my mom, but because I gave her my Volt, I'd really need to find a justification to replace it. A CPO MX would make more sense for her, but I don't see one of those dropping to a reasonable price anytime soon.

 

[Qinsp]

NOTE: I forgot the dealer/GM discount which is up to $6300. I put in a more common number, $5k on the edit.

$31k not $36k. It's only $36k if the dealer is selling at MSRP.

 

[Bacardi]

Reportedly all states can now submit orders, no ordering guide yet out for the MY18 Bolt...While I'd take a Vegas bet only minor changes to the MY18 Bolt such as map based Nav, I'm curious to why the guide is out for every Chevy vehicle including commercial vans/trucks but not the Bolt...I'd love to think GM has something up their sleeve for the MY18 to combat Prime and M3 sales...If there was one sole feature that could create a ton of buzz even if you had to sell it $50K, imagine the hype if you could add an optional Supercruise system? It certainly makes logical sense, it's a "tech" car, every article about the Bolt pulls in the M3 with optional AP, GM is using Bolts for its autonomous driving program...Even if less than say 5% of people order it, it would still accelerate GMs autonomous ambitions and gain valuable real world data...

 

[Ladogaboy]

I don't know anything that GM can do to steal Prius Prime customers. Every person I know who purchased a Prius Prime literally wouldn't consider any other car from any other manufacturer.

To me, GM has just a couple of major concerns to update during Bolt EV refresh. In fact, some of these should probably done even without a new MY, and maybe even as a recall.

• Add a plush seat and interior option
• Improve padding of the basic seats
• Fix cabin temperature sensor
• Add ACC option
• Make DCFC a standard feature

 

[Sean Nelson]

...I'm curious to why the guide is out for every Chevy vehicle including commercial vans/trucks but not the Bolt...I'd love to think GM has something up their sleeve for the MY18 to combat Prime and M3 sales..

My wishful thinking is that they're waiting for the official Tesla Model 3 specs before the marketing department decides how to respond in terms of the pricing and options for next year's Bolt.

 

[Neromanceres]

I'm curious to why the guide is out for every Chevy vehicle including commercial vans/trucks but not the Bolt...

The Bolt is not the only Chevy to not have a 2018 order guide. The Tahoe and Suburban don't either.

Typically GM posts the new order guides about 2 to 3 months before production start. I figure we will see the 2018 order guide for the Bolt EV within the next 6 weeks.

For new features I'm also guessing that a Chevy version of Cadillac's supercruise will become an option.

 

[PrivatePilot]

Interesting reading about a 40,000 mile test of a Model S P85D: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2015-tesla-model-s-p85d-ev-long-term-test-wrap-up

Geezus...that's a good read, but I'm left thinking two things:

- Any other automaker would be lambasted by their customer base and likely forced to buy back many car under lemon laws if they had as many problems as that test car had.

- GM really got it right with the Volt, in comparison.

This sort of thing makes me think that the Model 3 is not going to be smooth sailing for Tesla. Whilst Joe Richguy who doesn't mind not having a car for a week while it's trucked out of state to get fixed every 4 weeks is willing to deal with it (Hey, he can just drive the Ferrari instead while it's gone), Joe Plumber is going to lose his **** over those same realities.

 

[Qinsp]

Geezus...that's a good read, but I'm left thinking two things:

- Any other automaker would be lambasted by their customer base and likely forced to buy back many car under lemon laws if they had as many problems as that test car had.

- GM really got it right with the Volt, in comparison.

This sort of thing makes me think that the Model 3 is not going to be smooth sailing for Tesla. Whilst Joe Richguy who doesn't mind not having a car for a week while it's trucked out of state to get fixed every 4 weeks is willing to deal with it (Hey, he can just drive the Ferrari instead while it's gone), Joe Plumber is going to lose his **** over those same realities.

Yeah, that article kind of turned me off on the idea of a used Model S 85.

 

[CurrentEvent]

I saw six Bolts yesterday at my local Chevy dealer in Salt Lake City. Haven't seen any on the road though.

 

[NYRob]

I saw six Bolts yesterday at my local Chevy dealer in Salt Lake City. Haven't seen any on the road though.

Are they discounting off MSRP or is it full MSRP only?