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#121 ·
Neil Chapman : We’re using Ford Transit Connects now.We’d switch to this if produced and pricing made sense.The Transit is about 20k.These would be a no-sale at 40k.They would be competitive at 25k and probably a no-go at 30k as the Sprinter is about 30k.The payload for this is only 750kg (1600 pounds) which is the same as the Transit but would be to small to compete with the larger Sprinter vans.IMHO…Neil

What are your yearly fuel costs with the transits?
 
#122 ·
CorvetteGuy :
A Voltec-Powered Chevy El Camino (in Crystal Red) would also be a fantastic commuter vehicle with even better AER. It would only have 2 seats, and the rest would be a pickup bed. Very little weight. Plus, it would be freekin’ cool looking. I would love to see that someday soon.  

Sounds great to me! Andwhat a neat vehicle to take to the drive-in movie! They could make the truck bed a solid (thin) battery, or even just make it "U" shaped, lining the edge. I wonder what the Cd would be (including the keg)? (lol)

Be well,
Tagamet
 
#123 ·
DonC :
He also seems to think that regen only counts when the Volt is in CD mode. It seems more reasonable to assume that the Volt is going to use those kWh gained by regen and not leave them in the battery.  
Yes, I regularly max out the capacity to hold regen in my Prius's battery. That would be a few hundred feet of altitude change. The mountain mode would provide even a better ability to hold a large charge. Maybe a few thousand feet? That would translate to ten miles or so of a free ride.
 
#126 ·
Red HHR : Tagamet:
OK, so which is it? Hot and red, or Cold and white? Jung and I (collectively) vote for Hot and red!!Be well,
Tagamet

I dream of Voltec that is Red Hot on the outside, Cool and Pure on the inside…
Works for me! (on SO many levels...)

Be well,
Tagamet
 
#127 ·
Dave K. : Shouldn’t this read, “Plug-In Pizza”?=D-Volt  

I was sure that they just misspelled Viagra.

Be well,
Tagamet
/on *that* note, I'd better close... night.
 
#128 ·
CorvetteGuy :
A Voltec-Powered Chevy El Camino (in Crystal Red) would also be a fantastic commuter vehicle with even better AER. It would only have 2 seats, and the rest would be a pickup bed. Very little weight. Plus, it would be freekin’ cool looking. I would love to see that someday soon.  
GM design staff, take note: See above, make it Cool Looking!
/Personal Mantra: No boring cars
 
#131 ·
DonC : He also seems to think that regen only counts when the Volt is in CD mode. It seems more reasonable to assume that the Volt is going to use those kWh gained by regen and not leave them in the battery.   (Quote)

As far as regen I think in most driving conditions the prius battery captures most of the regen it recieves. It was really designed to gain regen from city driving not mountain decents. Having said that the Volt will have a regen advantage because of this. The other lost regen in this point would be a fast spike in regen (steep decline, brake slam) that the battery power desity can not handle this and the only way to account for this would be a bank of ultra caps but they take up space. I do think the Volt has a slight advatage with regen over a long period of time as well as with selective consistant ICE rpm range. I would hope that it would be enough to give a CS mpg >40mpg but in my opinion we are still looking at ~38 mpg for an average highway drive. In my calculator that I talked about in previous posts if I use a CS mpg of 50 vs. 38 it's only a 200.00 difference over five years with my driving habits. This shows the power of the Volt!!!!
 
#132 ·
OT.

Paris auto show is next week. Chevrolet is supposed to have a full line-up in the show (including Volt).

Maybe CorvetteGuy's 'Camino will be there!

also OT.
The local half-price-books is installing charging stations.

Gonna be an interesting couple of months coming up.
 
#134 ·
DonC : Seems logically challenged to me. If a Volt with a 1.4L engine is a Cruze with a 1.4L engine then a Prius with a 1.8L engine is a Corolla with a 1.8L engine. What MPG does a Corolla get? 30 MPG? According to you the Prius should get 40 MPG? But it gets 50 MPG.Basically what you’re looking at for both the Prius and the Volt is how regen and electrical assist changes MPG. If Toyota can get an additional 20 MPG out of the combination then GM, with greatly superior regen because: 1 better regen because of a vastly larger battery 2 as you mention, the Volt’s engine can run at optimal speeds, which the Prius’ can’t.   (Quote)

Sorry, but you would have to compare a camry to a camry hybrid and there are many reasons for this, the Cruze and Volt are more similar than a camry and the prius. You do make a good point but there is more to it than just engine size.
 
#135 ·
JCook : Sorry, but you would have to compare a camry to a camry hybrid and there are many reasons for this, the Cruze and Volt are more similar than a camry and the prius. You do make a good point but there is more to it than just engine size.   (Quote)
Sorry I thought you talking about the Camry, but some of what I said still applies.
 
#136 ·
JCook : Disagreeing with people is not a reason to give negative votes, it’s childish!!Come on people!!!! I see this a lot on this site.   (Quote)

100% right on the money, but maybe people don't actually know how they are supposed to use the +/- vote in a mature manner.
 
#137 ·
CorvetteGuy :
A Voltec-Powered El Camino should replace the HHR… like, immediately! (If not sooner.)  
Hate to pick nits with a Chevy sales person, but I think it's the SSR that would be replaced, but like yesterday. :cool:
 
#138 ·
CorvetteGuy : A Voltec-Powered Chevy El Camino (in Crystal Red) would also be a fantastic commuter vehicle with even better AER. It would only have 2 seats, and the rest would be a pickup bed. Very little weight. Plus, it would be freekin’ cool looking. I would love to see that someday soon.

I think there is a lot of pent-up demand for this kind of vehicle. The El Camino hasn't been available new for quite some time, but the memory still leaves a lasting, fond impression (I actually knew someone who got one somehow that was made in Mexico from the old stampers -- this was almost 15 years ago, and it was unusual then.) The fact that it seems intended for Voltec is a major plus. An El Voltino would sit lower than the MPV5 concept, and I bet it would get better AER on 16 kwh than the MPV's 30 (if not the Volt's 40).

If GM manages to go easy on the fancy gizmos, and sells it at a good price, Cap'n Jack would be well pleased. And, I think, he'd have a lot of company.
 
#139 ·
IQ130 : The EREV concept only makes sense when you travel most days within the EV range but sometimes (once a week or month depending on how good CS mode is) need to drive a lot more with the same car. I don’t think this is the typical driving pattern for a Cargo Van.   (Quote)

You state this like it is some kind of inherent fact. Why wouldn't an EREV60 make more practical sense for driving 80 miles/day vs 50miles/day? EVs make most more sense the more the battery gets used. Those used less will lose more battery capacity to the calendar and thus make less practical sense.
 
#140 ·
JCook : Disagreeing with people is not a reason to give negative votes, it’s childish!!
Come on people!!!!I see this a lot on this site.  

In the most general sense, you may be right. However, if you had put up with some of these clowns for as long as we have, you'd have a very different opinion.

For some, the exception is the rule -- and well deserved too.
 
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