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Aren't You the Guys Who Killed the Electric Car?

We are the guys that developed and launched EV1, the first modern-day electric vehicle, back in 1996. We are also the guys that devoted tremendous resources to design, engineer, and market this vehicle. Although the technical innovation and marketing efforts behind the EV1 were unparalleled, only 800 people were willing to lease the EV1. Yes, the EV1 quickly became the worldwide benchmark for electric vehicles, but its timing wasn't quite right. When GM launched the EV1, gas was cheap, there wasn't a war in Iraq, and there was less discussion about global warming. There were far fewer reasons for people to make the trade-offs in their transportation lifestyle to make the EV1 work for them.
“We didn't kill the electric car; electric vehicle technology is far from dead.”

The good news is that both the technology and the GM team who developed the EV1 live on. Chevy's next generation of low- and zero-emission vehicles - Tahoe and Malibu Hybrids,(1) Equinox Fuel Cell electric vehicles,(2) and our range-extended electric E-Flex system (found on the concept Volt) - all feature technologies and innovations from the EV1. We didn't kill the electric car; electric vehicle technology is far from dead.

- Jill Banaszynski
Manager of Electric Vehicle Programs
General Motors Corp.

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Evan: Man oh man, what a distortion. And some of you guys wonder why there are still so many people who doubt GM's dedication to the Volt. I'd way rather see something on the order of:
"Yes, we made a huge mistake in giving up on the EV1 and it has put us behind other automakers when we had a chance to be far ahead. But we are now making every effort to regain the market leadership with the development of the Volt and the rest of the E-flex system. We regret crushing the EV1 and that we alienated so many people who believed in GM and the EV1. It's a mistake we won't make again."
 

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The sad fact is, GM openly shared their hopes to produce electric cars in the future, and CARB rewarded that admission with a mandate that they had to sell EV's at a certain percent of total sales. Over zealous regulation killed the EV, not GM.

CARB is now getting it right, pacing demands with automaker capabilities and rewarding the automakers on a sliding scale for the hybrids they are already producing.

All parties recognize the impact that foreign energy has on the US economy, and all are working together to mainstream renewable energies in a manner that doesn't hurt the consumers.
 

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The sad fact is, GM openly shared their hopes to produce electric cars in the future, and CARB rewarded that admission with a mandate that they had to sell EV's at a certain percent of total sales. Over zealous regulation killed the EV, not GM.

CARB is now getting it right, pacing demands with automaker capabilities and rewarding the automakers on a sliding scale for the hybrids they are already producing.

All parties recognize the impact that foreign energy has on the US economy, and all are working together to mainstream renewable energies in a manner that doesn't hurt the consumers.
There's no question that an overzealous CARB had an impact, but GM, Toyota, Ford and others also share responsibility for the dealth of the EV movement...as do consumers.
My only problem with this "FAQ" is the blatant denial of any responsibility by GM and the over lack of regret for what was done.

Do you not think that the sample response I posted would be better received and more honest than the one currently on the site?
 

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There's no question that an overzealous CARB had an impact, but GM, Toyota, Ford and others also share responsibility for the dealth of the EV movement...as do consumers.
My only problem with this "FAQ" is the blatant denial of any responsibility by GM and the over lack of regret for what was done.

Do you not think that the sample response I posted would be better received and more honest than the one currently on the site?
To be perfectly honest, no. GM was correct to respond as they did, because government mandates kill markets, so they couldn't / shouldn't comply.

I think GM's current efforts reflect the measured contributions that a corporation could / should make in the marketplace. They've finally identified an EV configuration that consumers can afford and desire to buy. GM would have gotten to this point by themselves a few years ago, if CARB hadn't interferred in the marketplace.
 

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GM would have gotten to this point by themselves a few years ago, if CARB hadn't interferred in the marketplace.
You are in a very very tiny minority of people who believe that. While I agree that CARB probably overreached a little suggesting that they're interference in the marketplace has been bad is not realistic. Had they not we'd still be driving cars with leaded gasoline getting 15-20mpg and belching untold pollutants into the sky...think modern day Beijing.

No, GM has lied a lot about the EV1, they went out of their way to make sure it wasn't successful and at the first opportunity the crushed every car and sold the battery technology to an oil company to assure no progress would be made for a long time.

And, finally....even IF you were 100% correct...that GM has no culpability in this matter what so ever...If they had any sense about them at all they'd still post something like what I suggested. The greatest public perception is a negative one and they need to win back people who feel alienated. By posting what they did they're snubbing the very people most likely to buy new technology like the Volt. Just not smart any way you cut it.
 

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And, finally....even IF you were 100% correct...that GM has no culpability in this matter what so ever...If they had any sense about them at all they'd still post something like what I suggested. The greatest public perception is a negative one and they need to win back people who feel alienated. By posting what they did they're snubbing the very people most likely to buy new technology like the Volt. Just not smart any way you cut it.
I like starting a discussion with the assumption that I am 100% correct - saves us all time and effort.

Words are meaningless. If granolas can't see and respect the work that GM is doing today, then I wouldn't make the slightest additional effort to please those granolas any further. GM's E-REV concept will gain immediate consumer acceptance, which is more important than any mandate CARB could conceive. As GM builds more E-REV's, they cost reduce 99% of the new tech that rapid recharge BEV's and FCV's require in the future. Were I running GM, I wouldn't say anything about the EV1 other than what was developed for the EV1 has helped in the development of the Volt - end of story.
 

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I like starting a discussion with the assumption that I am 100% correct - saves us all time and effort.
LOL! Don't get used to it!:)

Words are meaningless.
I think most of the 'granolas' would agree with you on this...they feel GM's doing lip service to the Volt after the EV1 experience.

If granolas can't see and respect the work that GM is doing today, then I wouldn't make the slightest additional effort to please those granolas any further. GM's E-REV concept will gain immediate consumer acceptance, which is more important than any mandate CARB could conceive. As GM builds more E-REV's, they cost reduce 99% of the new tech that rapid recharge BEV's and FCV's require in the future. Were I running GM, I wouldn't say anything about the EV1 other than what was developed for the EV1 has helped in the development of the Volt - end of story.
The thing the more extreme 'granolas' would say is that they indeed CAN'T see the work GM is doing b/c so far they haven't really shown us anything. A big "T" shaped gizmo they claim is a battery with claims of a capacity. They've talked a LOT, but they've shown little...or nothing.

I think most are more like me. Optimistic, hopeful, but cautious...and watching every step and every word very carefully. Looking for signs of pull back, unkept promises, etc. I'm not angry about the lack of 5 seating places...disappointed b/c I won't be able to enjoy the Volt, but all along they've said 4 or 5 seats and I knew it was possible and even likely the 5 wouldn't happen as much as I campaigned for it on my survey sites. The gas tank/range issue isn't so bad. But when the little things add up I admit to getting nervous about GMs actual goals.

That said, I think this site and Lyle's efforts in particular make me more optimistic than pessemistic that the Volt is very real and will come close to the original specs. And if they can exceed most of them in some way and keep the price in check this thing will be a monster success.

But if words were not important then GM wouldn't be doing so much talking about the Volt...something totally unprecedented in the auto industry (unless you count Zap's unkept promises!)
 
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