[bjrosen]

https://www.boston.com/cars/car-new...t-gen-electric-cars-will-cost-less-go-farther

Looks like I'll be keeping the Volt a couple of years longer than I planned. The Gen2 BEVs are coming in 2021. The Gen2s will have > 300 miles of range (hopefully at least 350) which is the bare minimum to make them practical assuming that there is a decent CCS charging infrastructure by then. Until then the only option for a BEV with usable range will be Tesla assuming that they can ever figure out how to build the Model 3.

 

[JRRF]

https://www.boston.com/cars/car-new...t-gen-electric-cars-will-cost-less-go-farther

Looks like I'll be keeping the Volt a couple of years longer than I planned. The Gen2 BEVs are coming in 2021. The Gen2s will have > 300 miles of range (hopefully at least 350) which is the bare minimum to make them practical assuming that there is a decent CCS charging infrastructure by then. Until then the only option for a BEV with usable range will be Tesla assuming that they can ever figure out how to build the Model 3.

Good news, if not a big surprise. People can stick their heads in the sand, but this is happening.

And at 300+ miles of range, you really don't need charging stations on every corner. The around town concept of fueling up goes away since your garage is all you need. Charging stations would only be needed at way points. Turnpikes would only need a station every 50 miles or so. Small towns might have just one. Big cities could get away with a few. And most hotels would have one.

 

[hellsop]

And most hotels would have one.

More reasonably, a row of 40-amp Level 2 chargers. It's a hotel. People are gonna be there for like 10 hours, and will NOT want to stop what they're doing, get dressed, and go move the car after an hour on a fast charger. So if you've got to accommodate ALLLLLL of your EV guests at the same time, might as well use the cheapest chargers that will be enough.

 

[JRRF]

More reasonably, a row of 40-amp Level 2 chargers. It's a hotel. People are gonna be there for like 10 hours, and will NOT want to stop what they're doing, get dressed, and go move the car after an hour on a fast charger. So if you've got to accommodate ALLLLLL of your EV guests at the same time, might as well use the cheapest chargers that will be enough.

One "station", not one plug. Like a gas station today -- without the gas

And since they are unlikely to have a charger for each room, maybe when you reserve your room for the night, you could also reserve you plug.

 

[bjrosen]

More reasonably, a row of 40-amp Level 2 chargers. It's a hotel. People are gonna be there for like 10 hours, and will NOT want to stop what they're doing, get dressed, and go move the car after an hour on a fast charger. So if you've got to accommodate ALLLLLL of your EV guests at the same time, might as well use the cheapest chargers that will be enough.

You would want a couple of fast chargers. If you've just driven a couple of hundred miles, especially on a highway, the battery will be fairly empty even on a 300 mile BEV like the big battery Model 3. It would be nice to plug into a fast charger while you check in so that it can charge for 30 minutes or so before you go out for dinner. A Level 2 can't deliver enough charge in 30 minutes to an hour to be significant so it's not good for topping off a BEV at the end of a day of travel or sight seeing. I agree than the bulk of the EVSEs should be Level 2s because they are cheap and everyone with an EV will want to do an overnight charge.

 

[canehdian]

Gen2 is already here, so that would be gen3.

For mainstream EVs (i.e. <50k)
Gen1 was SparkEV, Leaf(2011), i3, etc = ~100mi

Gen2 is here now/imminently with Bolt, Leaf (2018), m3 etc = ~200mi

Gen3 is future = ~300mi

 

[bjrosen]

Gen2 is already here, so that would be gen3.

For mainstream EVs (i.e. <50k)
Gen1 was SparkEV, Leaf(2011), i3, etc = ~100mi

Gen2 is here now/imminently with Bolt, Leaf (2018), m3 etc = ~200mi

Gen3 is future = ~300mi

Gen2 BEV, this thread is about future GM BEVs. There is no mention in the article about a Gen3 Voltec architecture, only about a Gen2 Boltec architecture. They are doing a couple of cars based on the current Bolt then in 2021 they are introducing the next gen BEVs that will have > 300 miles of range, presumably new batteries and other improvements. There will be a lot of different models based on the 2nd generation Boltec platform, they clearly see that generation as the start of mainstreaming EVs. I still think there is a place for one more generation of Voltec because 300 miles is still a marginal range, of course it's entirely possible that they will have a 400 mile option at that point but they aren't making any promises yet.

 

[Guest]

When I was younger I would travel 650 miles in a day (Calgary to Victoria), while back 700 miles (Plumas, Manitoba to Edmonton, Alberta) or later than that over 400 miles (Solvang to Sacramento). These days a trip might be limited 550 miles. A 300 mile BEV would do me no good.

 

[Steverino]

Meanwhile, I'm almost one year into enjoying my Bolt EV. With 238 miles, it's more than enough for a large metro area like Chicago even in winter. DCFC stations are starting to be rolled out, but until they are every 100 mikes or so along the major interstates, I can take the Volt.

 

[JRRF]

When I was younger I would travel 650 miles in a day (Calgary to Victoria), while back 700 miles (Plumas, Manitoba to Edmonton, Alberta) or later than that over 400 miles (Solvang to Sacramento). These days a trip might be limited 550 miles. A 300 mile BEV would do me no good.

When I was younger I could do a lot of things But few people can drive 700 miles in one day. Truckers aren't even legally allowed to do that anymore.

 

[Bane]

When I was younger I could do a lot of things But few people can drive 700 miles in one day. Truckers aren't even legally allowed to do that anymore.

On an interstate with a 65 MPH truck limit, a truck can still drive 700 miles in the 11 hours allowed. Even if you can only drive 500 miles a day, charging stations at hotels won't be enough until EVs get more range.

 

[JRRF]

On an interstate with a 65 MPH truck limit, a truck can still drive 700 miles in the 11 hours allowed. Even if you can only drive 500 miles a day, charging stations at hotels won't be enough until EVs get more range.

That would be 11 hours without anything passing into or out of your body (or into your EV battery)

 

[Bane]

That would be 11 hours without anything passing into or out of your body (or into your EV battery)

No, you're allowed 11 hours of driving within a 14 hour window, so you can spend three hours passing things into or out of your body.

See the Interstate Truck Driver’s Guide to Hours of Service.