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Mentioned my deal on another thread but wanted to share first week impressions. Traded in a '13 for a '17 Siren Red Premier w/ Jet Black/Brandy.

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Range, range range! I'm blown away by how different "only" 10-15 extra EV miles above my Gen 1 really makes a difference. I did my 56-mile round trip work commute entirely on battery. Whoa. Game changer. I can't comment on the gas MPG in CS mode (is that even the right term for it now with Voltec II?), because I've barely used the engine yet. I'll wait until I reach about 1000 gas-only miles before making a determination.

And just as an initial impression with still limited driving, it seems the "city" EV range shines significantly more than in the Gen 1. I went 10 miles today in city driving and the EV remaining only went down 2 miles.

Regen! Greatly improved with the paddle and better overall. Almost a complete stop with the paddle and is great for energy recapture and big improvement over Gen 1. Heck, it looked like it got up to 60kw at some points, but I'll need to keep an eye on that. Rare use of breaks. This improved regen must be the reason for the dramatic city EV range. I drive in "L" and it feels fairly similar to Gen 1, although it might just be better with recapturing energy now.

Comfort! It's a more comfortable car overall--more "plush". Heard some didn't like the seats, but I think they're better. can't seem to get the right "spot" yet, but not unusual in a new car. Dead pedal was odd the first day but now doesn't bother me. Again, this is subjective.

Ride quality! Absolutely better--takes bumps and road imperfections very well. Definitely tuned more for comfort than sport, but seems an OK balance (although I lean sport in preference). I do wish it was a bit less floaty, but that comes with the expense of ride quality. Gen 1 was tight, but had lots of hops and skips on curves and felt less planted. Gen 2 handles better in some ways, even though it "feels" less sporty.

Quiet! This is an amazingly quiet car. My Gen 1, while also quiet, had more wind noise. Gen 2 is silent running. Even the ICE is muted.

Performance! Awesome 0-30. Love that the highway "delay" in Gen 1 seems fixed--this was the issue where the Gen 1 needed to "pause" before delivering full power in order to pass, etc. The dual motor design in Gen 2 seems to have fixed it.

DISLIKES
Styling--I was partial to Gen 1, but prefer a "unique" car. Of course, Volts are low volume, sold only in North America, and "unique" anyway, but Gen 2 "blends in" and does not brandish its EV credentials. Feels more "Chevy" than Volt. Back is great, but mixed feelings on the nose. Great color. Brandy interior is a nice option. Interior looks better and more together than Gen 1, but it also looks like other Chevy products. It's just not as distinct, which I consider a negative but others may not.

Climate Energy Usage--It was easier for me to control my climate energy expenditure in Gen 1 because of the better real-time feedback on energy usage (% meter, heat indicator, A/C indicator). Now, I am relying on my "idling" kW usage and the "energy usage" screen to figure it out. I might get better with it over time, but I'm disappointed Chevy decided to not provide this type of information anymore.

Pedestrian Honk! I knew I was going to really miss this feature of Gen 1--and I do. It really helped in city driving and in gently "waking" sleeping drivers at stop lights. Now I have to blare on the horn like everyone else. Speaking of which, what happened to the darn horn? Sounds weak.

TBD
Not sure if I'm partial to Voltec I or Voltec II in terms of ICE performance. I think the switch to parallel hybrid brings a bit more disadvantages to "EV feel" with the mechanical connection. However, it brings some understandable efficiency increases. I just became accustomed to the series hybrid way of operating in Gen I and I'm not yet used to Voltec II.

Final Words
This is without a doubt the most advanced vehicle I've owned and it deserves its "halo car" status. I don't regret trading up, but there is something LESS emotionally compelling about Gen 2. Personally, going to a mainstream design that matches the Chevy lineup has hurt the "uniqueness" of the Volt. I have mixed feelings about this because Chevy has done a good job investing in making other vehicles "unique" among its lineup (think Corvette).

The lesser "Volt" branding on Gen 2 makes me think this model might be on its way out. I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like the energy is going to BEVs (no pun intended), with the Voltec II destined for other models. Heck, I think the naming of the "Bolt" was intentional so that when the "Volt" is phased out half the planet won't even know it happened.

So I'm glad I own the most advanced and efficient iteration to-date of the Volt, even if it lacks the "specialness" and iconic qualities of the Gen 1.
 

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I had a NEW '13 I bought in June '14 and drove it 55K miles happily until last week. Picked up a NEW '17 to replace it. I need to update my signature.
 

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Range, range range! I'm blown away by how different "only" 10-15 extra EV miles above my Gen 1 really makes a difference. I did my 56-mile round trip work commute entirely on battery. Whoa. Game changer.
Lot's of interesting comments, but focusing on this one I couldn't agree more how important this is. I have a much shorter commute than you do, but would never even have considered the Volt without at least 50 miles of EV range. Less than that and you could be using some gas every day. As it is now with G2, I rarely use any gas unless I'm going out of town.
 

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I owned two Gen I Volt's from March 2012 (2012 and 2013) and now a 2017. Your comments mirror mine with one exception, I was starting to get tired of the Gen I styling and immediately warmed to the Gen II styling. I've owned my 2017 13 months and have driven over 10K miles with only 350 miles on the ICE. VoltStats reports I'm driving 96.8% electric. Just had my first oil change.

Did you get ACC. I held off buying a Gen II until I could get ACC.
 

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I agree with all of your "likes" except the comfort and ride quality. I prefer the comfort and ride quality of my gen 1 than my wife's gen 2. The gen 1 has the leather seats and in my opinion are infinitely more comfortable on long rides than the cloth seats in the gen 2. Haven't tried the leather in the gen 2 so maybe they're on par with the gen 1s? As far as ride quality, it seems to me that the gen 1 has a more plush ride. It is heavier, thus at least in my experience, soaks up bumps very well. Though now that I think about it, maybe it is just those leather seats that are soaking up some of the bumps because the gen 2 also does a good job at that. Hmm, now I need to go back and study it more closely. :D
 

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Good comparison. Especially about the styling. I agree the Gen 2 looks too much like a "Chevy" or actually a Chevy Cruze. It is a halo car and should be made that way like the Corvette or Camaro. Also agree this is the end of the Volt. After 2020 it will go away. Great car, great engineering feat that will hopefully get it's kudos down the road.
 

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I also upgraded -- from a base gen1 to a loaded gen2 premier. There's definitely a lot to like about the gen2, which is basically an all electric EV except for road trips. Performance is excellent, and the car is very quiet. And it gets very good gas mileage on the road too, using regular gas. Sometimes I think I miss the see through black panel in the back window of the gen1. I only used the pedestrian horn once on the gen1. Overall, its a very nice improvement. I like Android Auto and Adaptive Cruise control.

For me, the gen2 is just sporty enough that I can pretend I'm driving a sports car. And its really really fast off the line too.
 

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Thanks for all the replies. Interesting observations from all.

Tonight I noticed something else "unique" to Gen 2. I switched to "CS" mode (not sure if we call it that anymore) about 2 miles from home. Oddly, I drove those entire 2 miles home on "gas" but the gas engine never came on!

The speeds were around 35 MPH for the first mile and then it dropped down to around 25 MPH for the final stretch.

There must be a bigger buffer in Gen 2. There is no way I would have made 2 miles in Gen 1 CS mode without the engine turning over.

So even though I went "52 EV miles," my whole trip was 54 miles and not one drop of gas. I'm counting it as all electric!
 

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Thanks for all the replies. Interesting observations from all.

Tonight I noticed something else "unique" to Gen 2. I switched to "CS" mode (not sure if we call it that anymore) about 2 miles from home. Oddly, I drove those entire 2 miles home on "gas" but the gas engine never came on!

The speeds were around 35 MPH for the first mile and then it dropped down to around 25 MPH for the final stretch.

There must be a bigger buffer in Gen 2. There is no way I would have made 2 miles in Gen 1 CS mode without the engine turning over.

So even though I went "52 EV miles," my whole trip was 54 miles and not one drop of gas. I'm counting it as all electric!
Are you certain that you changed the drive mode from Normal to Hold? If you are using the Classic or Classic Enhanced driver information display when you select Hold mode the left side (EV battery state of charge and EV range) dims and the right side (gas engine fuel level and estimated range driving on gas) will illuminate. In Hold Mode the kw display on the right will be a combination of the power being generated by the gas engine plus any regen.
 

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I have a black 2016 Volt. It may resemble other cars, but the pointy wedge shape has a lot of drama. I don't expect people to be able to tell it's electric immediately, but I expect they do think it's a good-looking car. That's what is important. Anyway, with a steady stream of new electric cars in the future, the electric part will become less different.
 

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Are you certain that you changed the drive mode from Normal to Hold?
No--ran out of battery. 0 electric miles remaining. It even logged my last two miles as gas miles, but the gas engine never came on.
 

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I have a black 2016 Volt. It may resemble other cars, but the pointy wedge shape has a lot of drama. I don't expect people to be able to tell it's electric immediately, but I expect they do think it's a good-looking car. That's what is important. Anyway, with a steady stream of new electric cars in the future, the electric part will become less different.
I have no issues with the styling of our 2016 Volt, especially since it replaced a 2002 Prius and is a stable mate to a 2011 LEAF. However, it was easier to get in and out of the Prius. The main complaint I get from my family is the color, Heather Gray. Our grandkids and my wife wished it was a more distinctive color so they can identify the Volt when in a parking lot or coming down the street. They are used to the bright blue color of our LEAF. I guess I picked the wrong color, but very happy with the Volt so far.
 

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No--ran out of battery. 0 electric miles remaining. It even logged my last two miles as gas miles, but the gas engine never came on.
One way to see whether the gas engine is running is to view the Energy Flow display graphic that shows whether the battery, the gas engine or both are powering the Volt at that moment. Regen displays as energy flow back into the high voltage battery.
 

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We came from a 2014 Volt to a 2016 Volt. We traded in our 2014 Volt in July 2016 for our 16 Volt. Electric range and fuel economy is improved with the 2016 Volt. There is also more power as well. Yesterday my wife and I took our 2016 Volt to the greater Portland Oregon area to go shopping. Here are the results: 193.5 total miles: electric 48.4 miles / 14.2 KWH used/ gas only miles, (reg. 87 octane @ Costco) 145.1 miles / 2.74 gal's used/ 52.9 mpg.

Now with our 2014 Volt our electric range would have been the mid to high 30's on electric range and low 40's to possibly mid 40's on gas only, Note: the 2014 Volt requires premium gas.

This trip is via highway 26 leaving from Seaside Oregon at sea level to a high of 1642 feet at the highest point on one of the 3 mountain passes on highway 26, and of course the same three on the return back. Portland Oregon is only about 50 feet or so above sea level.

No other one model year change in any car, like the Volt from 2015 to 2016 model change, I know of as improved the performance of the Volt by so much.
 

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No--ran out of battery. 0 electric miles remaining. It even logged my last two miles as gas miles, but the gas engine never came on.
The HV battery has a total capacity of 18.4 kWh. Out of that you get to use 14.? That leaves about 4kWh for the buffer which is divided between the empty SOC and the full SOC. So you had at least 2kWh of buffer left when your battery read zero. The average distance for that much battery is about 8 miles and the engine usually stays off at low speeds until that buffer is also gone.
 

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alfon, you never said how fast you drove. I make a hundred-mile trip quite regularly. I usually get in mid-forty's gas mpg driving 75 or 80 miles per hour. Low 50's is really good. I think the gas mileage of the Volt is under-rated. It gets extremely good mileage for a car as heavy as it is.
 

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Speed limit on Highway 26 is 55 mph, I usually run between 55-62 mph with the flow of traffic depending on the road conditions. Speed varies in the Portland area in town of course and on the highway when traffic is congested. Pretty much clear sailing once you are west of North Plains on Highway 26 about 65 miles from Seaside.
 
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