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While in for the SW recall with my 2017 w/ACC, I noticed another driver with a gen1 Volt that had the mobileye camera installed. I wasn't aware that some gen1 cars had lane keeping so I asked him about it and he clarified it was lane departure warning only.

I'm fascinated by the prospects going forward... If some pre-2016 cars had lane departure warning and 2016+ have optional lane keeping (err, nudging) I'm wondering at what point the Volt (and probably Bolt) will have actual old style Tesla highway 'autopilot'? Perhaps even auto-lane switching although that might require side cameras.. not sure if the SBZ detectors would be sufficient.

No doubt at a minimum this would require a lot more processing (and software) and perhaps even a better camera (not sure of the specs on the existing cam). But it wouldn't be too hard to predict this coming to the Volt/Bolt in the near future.

I guess my real question would be: Does anyone think existing ACC cars would be offered a camera/processor upgrade to enable some of these features? Doesn't sound like GM style to offer such upgrades and I guess it might require some UI rewriting as well.. Just curious.
 

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While in for the SW recall with my 2017 w/ACC, I noticed another driver with a gen1 Volt that had the mobileye camera installed. I wasn't aware that some gen1 cars had lane keeping so I asked him about it and he clarified it was lane departure warning only.

I'm fascinated by the prospects going forward... If some pre-2016 cars had lane departure warning and 2016+ have optional lane keeping (err, nudging) I'm wondering at what point the Volt (and probably Bolt) will have actual old style Tesla highway 'autopilot'? Perhaps even auto-lane switching although that might require side cameras.. not sure if the SBZ detectors would be sufficient.

No doubt at a minimum this would require a lot more processing (and software) and perhaps even a better camera (not sure of the specs on the existing cam). But it wouldn't be too hard to predict this coming to the Volt/Bolt in the near future.

I guess my real question would be: Does anyone think existing ACC cars would be offered a camera/processor upgrade to enable some of these features? Doesn't sound like GM style to offer such upgrades and I guess it might require some UI rewriting as well.. Just curious.
I doubt it, because then they can't convince people to buy an entirely new car by dangling the carrot of "autonomous" driving in front of their customers' faces. They didn't even include the '17 "energy usage history" screen on the MyLink display in the Android Auto update for the '16s...although they did at least offer the Android Auto update, which I'm very grateful for as I use it literally every day.
 

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I had lane departure warning and front crash alert warning on our 2013 Volt. (safety 1 and 2) Neither worked well enough to really rely on. It was gimmicky and we ended up turning them off. I wouldn't trust either of them in that car to keep me in a lane/change lanes or stop a rear end crash. They alerted to often in wrong situations. A lot of the time the lane keep couldn't figure out where the lane is. Granted, in good weather on Florida roads the lane departure warning was better. Add heavy rain, fog, or now in my case snow and ice fog... I'm sure next gen is better and that is good thing.

IMHO, radar/lidar/FLIR, and cameras isn't going to be enough. Highways will still need some sort of chip, marker, put into the highway itself. THEN I can see autopilot working and much sooner. Right now we play this game called who's lane is it anyway?
 

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I had lane departure warning and front crash alert warning on our 2013 Volt. (safety 1 and 2) Neither worked well enough to really rely on. It was gimmicky and we ended up turning them off. I wouldn't trust either of them in that car to keep me in a lane/change lanes or stop a rear end crash. They alerted to often in wrong situations. A lot of the time the lane keep couldn't figure out where the lane is. Granted, in good weather on Florida roads the lane departure warning was better. Add heavy rain, fog, or now in my case snow and ice fog... I'm sure next gen is better and that is good thing.

IMHO, radar/lidar/FLIR, and cameras isn't going to be enough. Highways will still need some sort of chip, marker, put into the highway itself. THEN I can see autopilot working and much sooner. Right now we play this game called who's lane is it anyway?
It will be interesting to watch how it unfolds.. Tesla is claiming they'll have full autonomy in a few years with little more hardware than the existing ACC Volt (many more cameras, souped up ultrasonics and vastly more processing.. all relatively cheap from a bill of materials perspective). Almost everyone else (?) is using prohibitively expensive LIDAR units for full autonomy. Given pedestrians and cyclists not to mention winding roads and inconsistent traffic I suppose it's not hard to understand although hard to see it going mass scale without breakthroughs in solid state lidars (or really good vision/processing in Tesla's case).

I can certainly understand how first gen lane departure systems could be rather annoying. The newer systems that don't make noise but rather just nudge the steering wheel I think are actually LESS intrusive. More often than not I find the small nudge helpful although in some cases it can be annoying. I also have the front crash alert enabled which blasts an alarm and flashes the red LEDs on the windshield.. 90% of the time it's annoying but there was ONE time when I wasn't paying good enough attention in traffic and it really saved me. So now I put up with it (and slow down well in advance of stopped traffic).

The little lane keeping icon on the dash goes amber or disappears when it doesn't have a solid lock on the lanes.. Until the cameras/software get strong enough that the icon is green 99.9% of the time, I wouldn't want to relinquish the wheel.. even on flat open highway in good visibility. But I'm sure we'll get there eventually.
 

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GM is deploying an AP competitor, but it's not on a Chevy or even an EV...It's called supercruise and is on the MY18 Caddy CT6 ICE, not available on on the PHEV CT6...GM had been working on supercruise for a while but purchased cruise automation for $1B...Understand all these autonomous Volts/Bolts mules have huge & expensive equipment arrays mounted to the roof...I'd take a vegas bet that we'll never be able to purchase an automous Gen2 Volt or Gen1 Bolt for private ownership...Perhaps GM will sell a $100k-ish version for fleets only or perhaps Lyft ina few select locations...
 

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I don't expect GM to ever offer software updates to older vehicles in order to add features. Only safety issues will be addressed like the dreaded gen1 triple honk. They expect you to buy a new car in order to gain that new feature. Old style thinking, but that's just how they roll.
 

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I don't expect GM to ever offer software updates to older vehicles in order to add features. Only safety issues will be addressed like the dreaded gen1 triple honk. They expect you to buy a new car in order to gain that new feature. Old style thinking, but that's just how they roll.
GM execs have said they expect to provide at least limited feature updates to existing cars via the over-the-air software update capability in the Bolt EV. Of course, we will have to wait and see what actually happens.
 

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GM execs have said they expect to provide at least limited feature updates to existing cars via the over-the-air software update capability in the Bolt EV. Of course, we will have to wait and see what actually happens.
In the Bolt EVs manul it states the OTA is for the infotainment; GM Execs said recently OTA will NEVER tie into safety equipment...The Gen2 Volt launched with OTA and without AA; when AA was available we could OTA it, right? Nope! Had to go to your friendly dealer...There's also a Gen2 Volt infotainment bug-fix update, again OTA right? Nope! Again, had to go to your friendly dealer!

The gained Bolt EV OTA "features" will probably be related to new EV/SOC data and some occasional CP/AA updates...
 

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The most recent article about Super Cruise is that at least in the first version, it will be geo-mapped. That is, it will only operate in hands-free mode on highways in the database, which means it will have to be OTA at some point, if not initially.

A WAG is that the Bolt was SUPPOSED to have Super Cruise, but the NHTSA delay pushed it back too far to get it into the cars. Since Super Cruise is supposed to pull off the road if the driver is unconscious, the NHTSA considered that too autonomous last year.

GM is probably gunshy of releasing tech that not working 99.9%.
 

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Interesting reading up on the NHTSA objections to Super Cruise.. I wonder how Nissan's ProPilot and others will deal with this. Clearly more SW is needed beyond Tesla's gen1 autopilot.
 

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One guy got his car to do this already. Please understand this is a super-alpha (not even beta) kind of thing, so you should be two or three notches above paranoid watching it always and being extremely careful. (Just like with the existing Lane Keep Assist, it can be overridden by steering the wheel with more force than it's applying to the wheel. Also cancellable by brake or gas pedal.) Just think of this as a glimpse into what the future may bring. (It would feel more safe to me in a year or two from now. But stable much sooner than the five years out that auto makers are saying.)

The biggest nice thing is: with the existing system take your hands off the wheel. GM's lane keep assist just bounces you back and forth between the lines. (Up until the point when it breaks out of the lines or you hit something with your car. Not a very good system at all.) This software actually can "see" the lines on the road and center you inside them.

https youtube.com/watch?v=IYa5vQQEX2w

Sorry, about the link above, it says I am too new.
 

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While in for the SW recall with my 2017 w/ACC, I noticed another driver with a gen1 Volt that had the mobileye camera installed. I wasn't aware that some gen1 cars had lane keeping so I asked him about it and he clarified it was lane departure warning only.

I'm fascinated by the prospects going forward... If some pre-2016 cars had lane departure warning and 2016+ have optional lane keeping (err, nudging) I'm wondering at what point the Volt (and probably Bolt) will have actual old style Tesla highway 'autopilot'? Perhaps even auto-lane switching although that might require side cameras.. not sure if the SBZ detectors would be sufficient.

No doubt at a minimum this would require a lot more processing (and software) and perhaps even a better camera (not sure of the specs on the existing cam). But it wouldn't be too hard to predict this coming to the Volt/Bolt in the near future.

I guess my real question would be: Does anyone think existing ACC cars would be offered a camera/processor upgrade to enable some of these features? Doesn't sound like GM style to offer such upgrades and I guess it might require some UI rewriting as well.. Just curious.
I wouldn't hold my breath. While I was in at the STEALERSHIP, I went to Parts Dept and asked about after market add ons, and the answer was pretty much, if you didn't order it, at least in the electronics area, you can't get it. This isn't like Tesla where the cars are built for upgrade and all they need is to buy the programming to make it work. Our cars need the hardware and it isn't an option after the car is built.
 

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https youtube.com/watch?v=IYa5vQQEX2w
My kids think my car is autonomous when my knees are as close to the wheel as this guy's.

I don't think the Gen 2 Volt will ever be autonomous having nothing to do with OTA SW. It's a HW issue. Neither the sensors, nor the processor are sophisticated enough to get to autonomy. Cars don't have anywhere near the power of your average laptop. The difference is that the car processor and software need to be rock solid. You don't want things not responding, or blue screening at 60 mph.
 

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Cars don't have anywhere near the power of your average laptop. The difference is that the car processor and software need to be rock solid. You don't want things not responding, or blue screening at 60 mph.
If GM wants me to trust whatever autonomous system they eventually develop, they sure as heck better get their act together on the infotainment software pretty quickly. It's a terrible advertisement for software reliability.
 
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