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FORD ADOPTING TESLA CHARGING PORT! Ford getting Supercharger access in early 2024!

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FORD ADOPTING TESLA CHARGING PORT! Ford getting Supercharger access in early 2024!
https://media.ford.com/content/ford...n-access-to-12-000-tesla-superchargers--.html

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FORD EV CUSTOMERS TO GAIN ACCESS TO 12,000 TESLA SUPERCHARGERS; COMPANY TO ADD NORTH AMERICAN CHARGING STANDARD PORT IN FUTURE EVS
MAY 25, 2023 | DEARBORN

  • Starting early next year, Ford EV customers will have access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the U.S. and Canada, in addition to the over 10,000 DC fast-chargers that are already part of the BlueOval Charge Network. This will give Ford EV customers unprecedented access to fast-charging
  • Mustang Mach-E, F-150 Lightning and E-Transit customers will be able to access the Superchargers via an adapter and software integration along with activation and payment via FordPass or Ford Pro Intelligence
  • In 2025, Ford will offer next-generation electric vehicles with the North American Charging Standard (NACS) connector built-in, eliminating the need for an adapter to access Tesla Superchargers
  • The reliable Tesla Supercharger network has already established charging corridors across the U.S. and Canada
DEARBORN, Mich., May 25, 2023 – Ford Motor Company said today it reached an agreement with Tesla Motors that will provide Ford electric vehicle customers access to more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers across the U.S. and Canada, doubling the number of fast-chargers available to Ford EV customers starting Spring 2024.

“This is great news for our customers who will have unprecedented access to the largest network of fast-chargers in the U.S. and Canada with 12,000+ Tesla Superchargers plus 10,000+ fast-chargers already in the BlueOval Charge Network,” said Jim Farley, Ford president and CEO. “Widespread access to fast-charging is absolutely vital to our growth as an EV brand, and this breakthrough agreement comes as we are ramping up production of our popular Mustang Mach-E and F-150 Lightning, and preparing to launch a series of next-generation EVs starting in 2025.”

Added Rebecca Tinucci, Tesla’s senior director of charging infrastructure: “We’ve spent the last 10 years building an industry-leading Charging Network that enables freedom to travel and provides charging confidence for our Tesla owners. We’re excited to deliver on our mission to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy by welcoming Ford owners, and other electric vehicles who adopt NACS, to our thousands of Superchargers across North America.”

A Tesla-developed adapter will provide Ford F-150 Lightning, Mustang Mach-E and E-Transit vehicles fitted with the Combined Charging System (CCS) port access to Tesla’s V3 Superchargers. Ford will equip future EVs with the NACS charge port, removing the need for an adapter for direct access to Tesla Superchargers, starting in 2025.

“Tesla has led the industry in creating a large, reliable and efficient charging system and we are pleased to be able to join forces in a way that benefits customers and overall EV adoption,” said Marin Gjaja, chief customer officer, Ford Model e. “The Tesla Supercharger network has excellent reliability and the NACS plug is smaller and lighter. Overall, this provides a superior experience for customers.”

The BlueOval Charge Network is already North America’s largest public charging network with over 84,000 chargers including access to over 10,000 public DC fast-chargers. Adding more than 12,000 Tesla Superchargers creates the single largest integrated fast-charge network across the U.S. and Canada, designed to significantly reduce charge anxiety for Ford customers, with automatic routing to the nearest charger and seamless billing via FordPass.

Additionally, Ford dealers are adding roughly 1,800 public-facing fast-chargers and locations to the BlueOval Charge Network by early 2024.
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Steverino
I asked in your other post Scott, but will the SAE J1772 charge port be eliminated or will Ford's have two charge ports like some Nissan's with both the CHAdemo and J1772 ports?

If they will have two ports I think it's best of both worlds though if they just use the Tesla port and include J1772 adapters for L1/L2 and CCS that would work too. Two ports seems less of a hassle though at an increased cost and complexity.

Musk must be thrilled, some Tesla owners maybe not so much.
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Steverino said:
I asked in your other post Scott, but will the SAE J1772 charge port be eliminated or will Ford's have two charge ports like some Nissan's with both the CHAdemo and J1772 ports?

If they will have two ports I think it's best of both worlds though if they just use the Tesla port and include J1772 adapters for L1/L2 and CCS that would work too. Two ports seems less of a hassle though at an increased cost and complexity.

Musk must be thrilled, some Tesla owners maybe not so much.
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My response in that other thread which you picked up on above with your both comment.
Unknown at this point but it would seem very wise for Ford to have both charge ports and maximize the success of finding nearby chargers (near highways [more typical for Tesla] or while shopping, etc [often around town or not as close to highways it seems] )

Seems like it would give a Ford even a leg up on Tesla to have both.
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Steverino said:
Musk must be thrilled, some Tesla owners maybe not so much.
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It seems like it would add more money to pot for Tesla to build more supercharger. They are moving at an incredible rate.

Below is from today and yesterday.
9 with 8 stalls (plugs)
4 with 12 stalls (plugs)
2 with 16 stalls (plugs)
1 with 20 stalls (plugs)
2 with 32 stalls (plugs)
1 with 40 stalls (plugs)

Crowdsources Tesla Supercharger changes/adds/updates --> supercharge.info



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Well, that just sucks. The last thing the consumer needs is more division in the charging network standard. This is the kind of thing that can drive my next purchase back to a gas car, and just avoid the mess.
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It's the Beta vs VHS battle all over again ... if the other charger makers had come up with solutions that work more than 50% of the time, this wouldn't be an issue. I applaud Ford for doing this as Tesla has the most reliable charger network out there and puts Ford at the top along with Tesla if I planned on doing long distance driving with a future BEV.
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Whatstreet
Tesla is already faced with opening up the Supercharger network to CCS cars. If anything, this makes this legislated change easier for Tesla as they will not have to accommodate CCS plugs. Adapters or NACS port installed on the car will be someone else's problem.
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Great, now I can rent Mustang Mach-e's, and Tesla Model 3's from Hertz, and not have to worry about receipts for recharging for my expense report. It shows up as Tesla rebill on rental receipt if I charge at a Supercharger. Other charging stations, not so much, if I even get a receipt. Now Hertz just needs to start renting Mustang Mach-Es and putting them in the Presidents Circle area.
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Great, now I can rent Mustang Mach-e's, and Tesla Model 3's from Hertz, and not have to worry about receipts for recharging for my expense report. It shows up as Tesla rebill on rental receipt if I charge at a Supercharger. Other charging stations, not so much, if I even get a receipt. Now Hertz just needs to start renting Mustang Mach-Es and putting them in the Presidents Circle area.
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Why would you want to rent that festering pile of horse bile? The Model 3 is a better car. Those raised tail horse decorations don't make it go faster.
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I'm not really eyeballing a Ford EV at the moment (The competition has my eyes) but this is a good step to good things to come I think. Tesla's charging network is unrivaled.
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FYI, two great crowdsourced sites to see new chargers.
The Tesla one has excellent new filtering.
The CCS one could use it so you can look at >=4 stalls & >= 120 kW

Tesla - supercharge.info
CCS - fastcharger.info
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Christian777 said:
I'm not really eyeballing a Ford EV at the moment (The competition has my eyes) but this is a good step to good things to come I think. Tesla's charging network is unrivaled.
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Yes, for now. However the overall charging network is rapidly expanding. Driving a Volt for 10 years has made on the road charging a complete non-issue. My expectations are very likely in-line with the average consumer. I want to be able to stop at a DC charging station, tap the card, plug in, and charge. Just like I buy gas. I don't care who runs it. There aren't better detergents which the brand puts in the electrons. I also don't want to worry about which connector it has, downloading their app, or signing up for their network. It just needs to be simple and work.
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My expectations are very likely in-line with the average consumer. I want to be able to stop at a DC charging station, tap the card, plug in, and charge. Just like I buy gas. I don't care who runs it.
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Yup, if anything this deal should be a competitive wake up call to other charge station operators. People want reliability, ease of use.

As far as ease of use, GM's Ultium Charge 360 is aimed at helping. Under the Ultium Charge 360 project, it's working with seven charging networks (Blink Charging, ChargePoint, EV Connect, EVgo, FLO, Greenlots and SemaConnect) to give drivers "more seamless access" to almost 60,000 plugs across the US and Canada. Mobile apps for GM vehicles will soon include real-time information for those stations and help drivers find them on their route. EV owners will be able to initiate and pay for charging through the app as well.

That sounds nice, but I'm not sure how much it has rolled out yet or whether this capability will also be part of the new GM EV dashboard infotainment capabilities.
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Yup, if anything this deal should be a competitive wake up call to other charge station operators. People want reliability, ease of use.

As far as ease of use, GM's Ultium Charge 360 is aimed at helping. Under the Ultium Charge 360 project, it's working with seven charging networks (Blink Charging, ChargePoint, EV Connect, EVgo, FLO, Greenlots and SemaConnect) to give drivers "more seamless access" to almost 60,000 plugs across the US and Canada. Mobile apps for GM vehicles will soon include real-time information for those stations and help drivers find them on their route. EV owners will be able to initiate and pay for charging through the app as well.

That sounds nice, but I'm not sure how much it has rolled out yet or whether this capability will also be part of the new GM EV dashboard infotainment capabilities.
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Ford has the same thing with BlueOval. https://www.ford.com/trucks/f150/f150-lightning/features/ev-charging/blueoval-charge-network/

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Ford has the same thing with BlueOval.
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A sign that the market moving toward simplifying the process across many charge station operators. A good thing. Now we need a way to keep a reliability score on operators based on up-time. A public scorecard on each of the operators.
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Steverino said:
A sign that the market moving toward simplifying the process across many charge station operators. A good thing. Now we need a way to keep a reliability score on operators based on up-time. A public scorecard on each of the operators.
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Plugshare has one (site level) but it has been highly suspect based on who owns them and how they calculate it. I think 1 of 4 stalls could be working and a owner could have tried 3 bad before the 4th but they still count it as a good charge.

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Plugshare has one (site level) but it has been highly suspect based on who owns them and how they calculate it. I think 1 of 4 stalls could be working and a owner could have tried 3 bad before the 4th but they still count it as a good charge.
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The criteria should be based on how many of the charge cords are in working order. So 1 out of 4 would be 25% working.
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The criteria should be based on how many of the charge cords are in working order. So 1 out of 4 would be 25% working.
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People started questioning it last Fall. A couple of examples. Various ones out there.

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