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https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-3-owner-on-cross-country-road-trip-has-alre-1821646237

You can follow owner, You You Xue, who has been documenting his experience on the Tesla Model 3 Road Trip Facebook page.
https://www.facebook.com/tsla3

But a number of issues have emerged with the car, which were summarized by one commenter on a Reddit thread about the extensive trip:

Problems reported here in 3 days if i’m not wrong: 1. Air bag light. 2. Tire pressure sensor. 3. Charging lid. 4. Wipers knock. 5. Music system noises. 6. Service response malfunction. 7. Loud pop in back and warning light. 8. 12v plug not working. 9. Low quality wiper blades leaving strikes. 10. Time zone recognition. 11. Mistakes in charging rates calculation. And low quality “upgraded” music system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/RealTesla/...itches_tpms_warnings_airbag_errors_meeting_a/
 

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One thing Musk is not factoring in is that a lot of people lined for the III are likely stretching their dollars to get into one and won't be a accepting of faults in what may be their only car. If the GM Bolt had a fourth of these issues all the internet magazines would be trouncing GM for it
 

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I imagine Tesla will fix those issues. Speaking of issues, there are still unfixed software issues with the original Volt that will never get fixed because it is GM. Like battery charge periodically not showing up if you interrupt a remote start, etc. At least Tesla will OTA update that stuff.

I didn't look to see how many miles he has, but my Volt had a clunking axle that needed replacing by 9k miles. My point is we need more samples. I expect a few more issues than average with Tesla based on Model S and X, but none of those sound anything too serious.
 

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Problems reported here in 3 days if i’m not wrong: 1. Air bag light. 2. Tire pressure sensor. 3. Charging lid. 4. Wipers knock. 5. Music system noises. 6. Service response malfunction. 7. Loud pop in back and warning light. 8. 12v plug not working. 9. Low quality wiper blades leaving strikes. 10. Time zone recognition. 11. Mistakes in charging rates calculation. And low quality “upgraded” music system.
I've already made my comment about consistent quality in hand-built cars so I'll leave that where it is.

Speaking of issues, there are still unfixed software issues with the original Volt that will never get fixed because it is GM. Like battery charge periodically not showing up if you interrupt a remote start, etc. At least Tesla will OTA update that stuff.
Funny you should mention that. Well after the X was out I watched Musk admit (to his credit) that the gull wing door software still hadn't been fixed. To this day I haven't seen, nor been able to find any news about it being fixed. Maybe you can find it?
 

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I haven't seen any news on the falcon wing doors for a while (over a year), so I imagine they got them worked out. Point is Tesla will actively update older cars with OTA updates, which GM does not do at this time. There are many software updates that should be offered to older Volts that never will be, like Hold mode, etc.
 

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I haven't seen any news on the falcon wing doors for a while (over a year), so I imagine they got them worked out.
I was looking for something beyond imagination. Seriously, I did look for some indication, more than once. I figured since Musk was honest enough to admit the failure publicly someone would have followed up with some news about a fix. Odd to leave that one dangle like that.

Point is Tesla will actively update older cars with OTA updates, which GM does not do at this time. There are many software updates that should be offered to older Volts that never will be, like Hold mode, etc.
Speaking of issues, there are still unfixed software issues with the original Volt that will never get fixed because it is GM.
I must have misunderstood that remark then.

How is hold mode an unfixed software issue in a car that never offered it?
 

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There are many software updates that should be offered to older Volts that never will be, like Hold mode, etc.
I recall a tuner post were someone either asked for this mod via a software tune or a claim was made that it could be done.
GM indicated hardware was also require to add Hold to a 2011 so maybe there is more to this particular update than just software.

Based on some recent posts, it looks like the 2018 Bolt will have an OTA update module. Assuming that's true, what it may be used for is unknown.
 

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Based on some recent posts, it looks like the 2018 Bolt will have an OTA update module. Assuming that's true, what it may be used for is unknown.
The 2017 Bolt has the mysterious K56 module already. I wouldn't get too excited though. The salesman explains that GM under Mary Barra is ultraconservative when it comes to safety (liability), anything related to changing the car part of the car is going to be done by service where there is ironclad documentation of what, who, and when. The fluff part (infotainment), that's already being OTA'd.
 

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The 2017 Bolt has the mysterious K56 module already. I wouldn't get too excited though. The salesman explains that GM under Mary Barra is ultraconservative when it comes to safety (liability), anything related to changing the car part of the car is going to be done by service where there is ironclad documentation of what, who, and when. The fluff part (infotainment), that's already being OTA'd.
Thanks for the clarification, Jmaj! So you are saying GM is conservative and more than a little shy about being sued by people and is focused on safety? I wonder why Mary Barra would feel that way....
 

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The 2017 Bolt has the mysterious K56 module already. I wouldn't get too excited though. The salesman explains that GM under Mary Barra is ultraconservative when it comes to safety (liability), anything related to changing the car part of the car is going to be done by service where there is ironclad documentation of what, who, and when. The fluff part (infotainment), that's already being OTA'd.

Since the Bolt & 2018 Volt appear to be equipped w/the central gateway module, fairly certain it is just a matter of when not if GM goes 'live' with OTA updates on both these GM models...
 

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Fascinating how ready Jalopnik and you guys are to pay attention to the reports from a rich kid (he has an SP100D) who is such an idiot that he drove the 3 at 141 mph on a dark highway passing a number of cars in the right lane. And posted a video of it.

And some of what he complains about is ridiculous like the windshield wipers.
And there are numerous reports on TMC that the sound system is great and better than the upgraded systems on the S.
And none of it has required service to allow him to keep racing across the country.

I wouldn't believe anything this guy reported unless someone credible verified it.
 

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Fascinating how ready Jalopnik and you guys are to pay attention to the reports from a rich kid (he has an SP100D) who is such an idiot that he drove the 3 at 141 mph on a dark highway passing a number of cars in the right lane. And posted a video of it.

And some of what he complains about is ridiculous like the windshield wipers.
And there are numerous reports on TMC that the sound system is great and better than the upgraded systems on the S.
And none of it has required service to allow him to keep racing across the country.

I wouldn't believe anything this guy reported unless someone credible verified it.
Well, if Tesla were shipping the Model 3 in quantity...we might be able to determine if the ONE Model 3 user was an aberration...:)
 

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Since you asked.

On TMC there are actually quite a few reports from Model S owners like Yue Yue who have received their 3's in the last couple of weeks. Here is one of the more thorough ones that speaks to the sound quality among other things and brings up a few issues at the end.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thr...is-is-not-a-mini-model-s.105177/#post-2485208
And quite a few people that say the Model 3's backup camera sucks hardcore, among the complaints.
And the fact rear visibility also sucks.
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/model-3-backup-camera-sucks.104985/
 

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Indeed there are those who find it problematic, others who find it OK and others who are pretty sure that its just the software processing the image, not the camera itself.

We could also enumerate all the things people really like and the ones that comment that the build quality is as good or better than current S's and X's.

And lots who comment about how amazingly open the cabin is and how great the forward view is. Something I really appreciate in comparison with the cave that is the volt cabin and the dangerous to pedestrians and cars A-pillars.

Really its silly to go over such things point by point, unless you guys find it entertaining.
 

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I have no problem w/ visibility in the volt and its roomier than the passat it replaced.
 

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But a number of issues have emerged with the car, which were summarized by one commenter on a Reddit thread about the extensive trip:
I ran across this on Reddit:

So we finally got our Model 3 exactly 10 days ago, and I wanted to share my thoughts on my experience so far. I will probably add more thoughts as time goes.

This is my first electric car ever so the overall experience was new for me. For background, my other car is a Honda CRV, and I recently sold off my Subaru BRZ.

Delivery Experience - Meh. We had to wait 2 hours after our appointment time because the car was still being detailed. The delivery specialist was not special at all. Had no idea about some of the features.

The initial build quality was good. No cosmetic or mechanical issues. There are some minor misalignments but nothing that you would not see in any other car if you looked minutely.

Driving - Driving the Model 3 feels great. Overall handling is superb. Definitely not what people would normally expect from an electric car but would expect from a Tesla. Amazing acceleration, just amazing (super quick off the spot). It almost feels like a roller coaster. I had some fun catching people off guard while riding them around.

Steering is solid, and the car feels in control.

The suspension is much stiffer than I expected. For comparison, for me the suspension felt slightly stiffer than BMW 335 but no as hard as my BRZ.

Very quiet in the cabin. This can be attributed to in large part to the lack of ICE.

Motion sickness - For real. Apparently caused by regenerative braking. Turned it down to LOW to get used it slowly.

Glass roof and interior - The glass roof is my favorite feature. It just makes the car feel bigger and spacious. Just a different feel. Lots of legroom, even in the back. The dome lights and accent lights are a good touch. The center console storage space lids etc. feel plasticky. My 2017 CRV has much better materials in this regard. Steering wheel feels nice and solid.

Misc. (not interior related) - You have to close the doors really (really really) hard to make them close properly. If the door is not closed hard enough it doesn't latch and the window does not get sealed.

Touch screen - Nothing new here. The screen quality is good - clear, responsive, adaptive brightness, all the good stuff.

Controls (or lack there of) - Coming from a conventional car interior, I do miss some of the physical buttons. The steering stalk on the left lets you control the turn signals, and there is button to trigger the wiper. The stalk on the right is for drive controls. The two wheels let you contol the volume, and adjust the mirrors.

Yyou need 2 clicks on the screen just to get the wipers going. SMH

Here is what I miss - No cruise control + or - on the steering wheel. I have to reach to the screen to increase or decrease cruise speed. If someone knows what I am missing do let me know. Cannot switch radio stations. You can skip songs but that's it.

Go to the screen to open the glove box (another smh) - I know Tesla wants to keep things simple and this is there way to enforce safety of the stored items during Valet mode but Worse - even the passenger has to reach all the way to the left hand corner of the screen to open the glove box that is right in front. I am sure there could be a better solution.

Fixable - Navigation steps are listed on the far right hand side of the screen. Away from the driver, and it is sometimes hard to read/follow while driving. Looking so far to the right does not feel like just a glance. It is taking focus away from actual driving. Hopefully they can bring that panel back to the left, closer to the driver.

Battery & range - Range anxiety got real when the battery was down to 40 miles. Had to find a public charge and I actually ended up paying to get some juice. The battery lost about 15-20 miles per day sitting in the garage during the long weekend. It was in 40-50s during the weekend here in the bay area. This is based on the small sample size and non scientific, casual observation. I will have a better idea in the coming days.

From the comments it looks like the batter loss is greater than expected. I will observe for a few more days and report back.
https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/7fy755/my_10_day_review_of_the_model_3/
 

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I ran across this on Reddit:

Here is what I miss - No cruise control + or - on the steering wheel. I have to reach to the screen to increase or decrease cruise speed. If someone knows what I am missing do let me know. Cannot switch radio stations. You can skip songs but that's it.

The battery lost about 15-20 miles per day sitting in the garage during the long weekend.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/7fy755/my_10_day_review_of_the_model_3/
You have to take your hand off the wheel to adjust the Cruise control??...Hmmm...:(

That is some serious parasitic loss!!!
 

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You have to take your hand off the wheel to adjust the Cruise control??...Hmmm...:(

That is some serious parasitic loss!!!
I thought the glove box was the silliest one. The most dangerous one? I'm not sure. But he liked some of it - only fair to post the whole thing.
 
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