[SSonnentag]

The Hill Article

Vehicle to Vehicle (V2V) communications to avoid accidents. Sounds interesting, but I don't necessarily like trusting my life to AI. Hopefully it allows operator override.

 

[Whatstreet]

This will be a game changer for autonomous driving. The cars would be able to share their intentions with the cars around them. Maneuvers would be negotiated far in advance of the maneuvers execution making speed changes, lane changes, merges and turns safe. Pedestrians should carry a transponder.

 

[Raymondjram]

The Hill Article

Vehicle to Vehicle (V2V) communications to avoid accidents. Sounds interesting, but I don't necessarily like trusting my life to AI. Hopefully it allows operator override.

Would you drive your car blindly? That is how one car relates to another: they don't "see" or sense each other. Humans have senses that help,, and we can use simple hand signals, or even the vehicle signals (horn and lighsts) to communicate with other drivers. If the car was as intelligent as a horse, it would never crash into a fixed obstacle or another unless the driver forces it to do so.

Intelligent vehicles with V2V will prevent many more accidents than simple sensors and better than any driver!

 

[Mister Dave]

If the car was as intelligent as a horse, it would never crash into a fixed obstacle or another unless the driver forces it to do so.

Having been in a horse wreck I must disagree.

This long-promised V2V rule is the next step in that progression. Once deployed, V2V will provide 360-degree situational awareness on the road and will help us enhance vehicle safety.

Horse sh*t.

“While these new technologies have the potential to save lives, security and privacy cannot be an afterthought in this new era of connected cars,” Sens. Edward Markey (D-Mass.) and Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said in a statement.

Ambulance chasers doing what they do. It never ends with these guys does it?

Hypothetical safety benefits of the mandate will be trivial for the next 15 years, at which point far superior automated vehicle technology may be deployed to consumers.

Ummm.......
<headscratch>

 

[mikeg3]

The formal name for airbags begins with "Supplementary".

On that basis, this is a good idea.

However, I don't agree with a true autopilot for cars. Airplanes maintain enough separation for the pilot to take control if the autopilot fails. Cars require action in a few seconds, not enough time to see the problem, drop everything, and grab the wheel.

Airplane autopilots can actually land an airliner, but this is not permitted. Takeoff and landing are two maneuvers where there is not enough time to take over.

 

[Cord]

so, at long last we all can move forward when the light turns green --

 

[Henry_FL]

Airplane autopilots can actually land an airliner, but this is not permitted.

CAT III landing is 100% auto pilot and done every day, in fact is mandatory at least one a month regardless of weather for proficiency reasons

 

[Joe67]

The Hill Article

Vehicle to Vehicle (V2V) communications to avoid accidents. Sounds interesting, but I don't necessarily like trusting my life to AI. Hopefully it allows operator override.

This is a no brainer as we move toward Autonomous driving. You can't have one without the other.

 

[2VoltFamily]

As I get older it is hard to believe the advances. However, I do recognize that technology changes are so fast these days that we hardly get a chance to adjust before the next new thing is out. Intelligent vehicles even those that drive themselves are here to stay and will prevent accidents. If Moore's law continues to hold there are many people that will simply lose their mind.

There are some people who still only use a VHS because they did not want to change or could not adjust to the changes.

 

[Dutch]

I give it roughly 30 years before you will have to get special permission, and pay a premium in insurance, to manually drive your car.
I have a high degree of certainty that the first and biggest initial impact is going to hit the long haul trucking industry since robo-trucks will be able to roll wheels 24/7 and that is going to mean huge profits for the owners.

 

[Barry]

Automation like we have seen with Tesla is here and will continue to deploy wider and wider. Right now, that automation relies on a few sensor technologies like video cameras, radar and ultrasound. That sensing ability could be far greater with V2V, and thus make the automation safer.

The fatal auto pilot accident where the Tesla hit the tractor trailer could have been easily avoided with V2V. Or the fatal Volt accident where the Volt turned left in front of 115 mph BMW could also have been avoided. I assume the human misjudged the speed of the oncoming car, or it was too far away to be seen, but V2V could have known the speed and calculated the gap correctly.

 

[Restlessone]

Jets have been using that technology for many years. Saved my bacon one stormy night when a controller screwed up. With self driving cars it has to happen.

 

[bjrosen]

I give it roughly 30 years before you will have to get special permission, and pay a premium in insurance, to manually drive your car.
I have a high degree of certainty that the first and biggest initial impact is going to hit the long haul trucking industry since robo-trucks will be able to roll wheels 24/7 and that is going to mean huge profits for the owners.

In 30 years all cars will have autopilot. It's possible that human drivers will be banned altogether but I think it's more likely that human driving will be allowed with the assistance of an automatic copilot. The Volt has a gen 0 version of copilot, the forward automatic braking which prevents you from rear ending someone. A much more advanced version of that which prevents you from doing anything stupid would make it possible for a person to have some level of control without them being a danger to others.

 

[mike100]

TCAS works well for aircraft because they all have it (or at least a great percentage and all instrument rated planes), but on the streets is a different thing entirely. There are a lot more cars closer together, most of which will be piloted by humans exclusively as it will take a long time for regular cars to be kicked off roadways.

The only way this will work is if society takes the approach China has with motorcycles and scooters and start to ban them from the roads. You can't have a mixed fleet of autonomous and non-autonomous vehicles. No computer algorithm will anticipate a human response.

 

[quirkySquirt]

Just like mike100 states, the sad truth is having a mix of autonomous and human-controlled cars will be problematic.

Of course, there's no way we can have a sudden switch over from dumb cars to autonomous cars. I'm hoping for some incentives to get autonomous cars to be more popular that ultimately lead to me having to pay more in penalties, fees, or taxes to enjoy non-autonomous driving on the road.