[NYRob]

Okay, so after much waiting , Bolts are finally starting to trickle... and I do mean trickle (like one Bolt at just two dealerships in a county with 1.5million people) in to the area.

Got to drive a Orange Premier yesterday... it was as good as I envisioned.
In my best Trump'ish tweet tone... "fantastic car...want one!"

Here's the rub.....

NY State is only starting their $2000 EV rebate for EV's purchased on or after April 1st 2017.
So even if the dealers get the Bolts on the lot... no one in NY will buy one till April 1st due to procrastination up in Albany since they okay'd the $2000 EV Rebate program in last April (2016).

So we finally get Bolts in NY... physically available to purchase and literally drive home today... but they will sit unsold till April 1st.


FWIW- no discounts either... 100% sticker price!


How's that for a kick in the produce section.....

 

[ItsNotAboutTheMoney]

Okay, so after much waiting , Bolts are finally starting to trickle... and I do mean trickle (like one Bolt at just two dealerships in a county with 1.5million people) in to the area.

Got to drive a Orange Premier yesterday... it was as good as I envisioned.
In my best Trump'ish tweet tone... "fantastic car...want one!"

Here's the rub.....

NY State is only starting their $2000 EV rebate for EV's purchased on or after April 1st 2017.
So even if the dealers get the Bolts on the lot... no one in NY will buy one till April 1st due to procrastination up in Albany since they okay'd the $2000 EV Rebate program in last April (2016).

So we finally get Bolts in NY... physically available to purchase and literally drive home today... but they will sit unsold till April 1st.


FWIW- no discounts either... 100% sticker price!


How's that for a kick in the produce section.....

If they're on the lots you should now be able to buy from a California dealer.

 

[NYRob]

If they're on the lots you should now be able to buy from a California dealer.

Zero sum gain then....

NY: $42k MSRP Bolt -$2k NY Rebate = $40K Bolt
CA: $42K MSRP Bolt -$3k dealer discount = 39K Bolt + $850 to ship across country to NY + $39,850 Bolt

Net savings = $150!

The $2K NY Rebate is at the dealership, not through tax return- so you have to purchase the car at a NY dealership to get the $2K off the price of the car

 

[jbakerjonathan]

Ya gotta love the politicians in Albany! Wait 20 days and you can earn $2k.

When you finally get your Bolt EV, will you be able to L2 charge at work?

 

[El Dobro]

Patience is a good thing.
The only thing we get in NJ is no sales tax.

 

[Dutch]

The day I learned that the gasoline tax was calculated AFTER the sales tax (so you are paying a tax on a tax) was the final straw for me and NY. I left there in 1992 and only go back to visit family.

And the family thinks I'm weird because I keep hopping back over the border to PA to buy gas and stuff when I'm up there because I simply refuse to put money into the NY economy if I can avoid it.

 

[ClarksonCote]

Patience is a good thing.
The only thing we get in NJ is no sales tax.

On a $35k Bolt at 8% sales tax, that is a better deal than NY's $2000 rebate, by about $800.00

I wish NY had done the no sales tax thing instead of the rebate. The amount of money spent on deciding how to even implement the rebate seems silly to me. A sales tax exemption, in theory, seems a lot easier logistically, and is still effectively a point of sale rebate since sales tax is typically collected by the dealership at time of sale.

 

[NYRob]

When you finally get your Bolt EV, will you be able to L2 charge at work?

Yes, there is a free L2 Chargepoint station in the adjacent public parking lot next to my job that I have been using since 2012 for my PIP and Volt.

I have a 240v 40amp Juicebox setup at home as well.

 

[NYRob]

The main point regarding the $2K NY Rebate is that it effectively blocks all Bolt sales in NY till April 1st even though there will be Bolt's on the lot... unless you care to waste $2000 of course.

And, it's confusing- The salesperson that let me test drive the Bolt yesterday was clueless about the rebate, another salesperson actually offered up the info to me while my guy was getting the keys for the Bolt.
It's also unclear if the rebate is off the MSRP before sales tax, or $2K off the bottom line after sales tax...

I would have been pretty pissed if I had purchased the Bolt I test drove and then found out I missed the $2000 rebate because the dealership didn't know the sale had to be made on 4/1 or later to qualify!

 

[Mcgsp]

The main point regarding the $2K NY Rebate is that it effectively blocks all Bolt sales in NY till April 1st even though there will be Bolt's on the lot... unless you care to waste $2000 of course.

And, it's confusing- The salesperson that let me test drive the Bolt yesterday was clueless about the rebate, another salesperson actually offered up the info to me while my guy was getting the keys for the Bolt.
It's also unclear if the rebate is off the MSRP before sales tax, or $2K off the bottom line after sales tax...

I would have been pretty pissed if I had purchased the Bolt I test drove and then found out I missed the $2000 rebate because the dealership didn't know the sale had to be made on 4/1 or later to qualify!

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/03/0...oducing-2000-electric-vehicle-rebate-april-1/

From another article I read, it appears part of the program is to educate the dealerships in the state in regards to this rebate, allegedly one of the reasons for the slow roll out. It also appears not all the details have been published, gotta love the opaqueness of this process, but better than nothing.

And as for the difference between the rebate and sales tax, I prefer the sales tax exemption of 7% for our sales tax. The exemption is immediate and will show up immediately upon purchase agreement, no need to wait for rebate check. And if financing means less to finance up front. Unfortunately, even here in NJ where the tax exempt status for ZEV has been in place for years, most sales people are unaware of it. A friend of mine who purchased a I3 had to educate the salesperson on the tax. The sales person did not believe it until information was put in the computer and no sales tax showed up. Go figure

 

[El Dobro]

On a $35k Bolt at 8% sales tax, that is a better deal than NY's $2000 rebate, by about $800.00

I wish NY had done the no sales tax thing instead of the rebate. The amount of money spent on deciding how to even implement the rebate seems silly to me. A sales tax exemption, in theory, seems a lot easier logistically, and is still effectively a point of sale rebate since sales tax is typically collected by the dealership at time of sale.

That's all we get though, just BEVs and FCEVs. Never had any breaks on hybrids or PHEVs.

 

[1612202]

Rob, Have you contacted NYSERDA? Here is an email they sent me on 3/2/17." New York State’s electric car rebate for consumers is expected to launch by April 1, 2017. Only cars that are purchased after the program is launched will be eligible for the rebate. We'll have more details available on nyserda.ny.gov when the program goes live." This is what they told me in Feb. "I see that you emailed the Governor’s office about whether buying an EV in February would qualify for the upcoming rebate. The email got passed back to me to reply to (sorry!) so I figured I’d just email you back directly.

The program is not going to be retroactive – purchases will only be eligible for the rebate if they’re made after the program starts. I wish I had a firmer date for the launch, but by law it has to be by April 1 so it’ll be sometime between now and then." If a dealer told you anything about how it is going to work either they a well informed or making it up. NYSERDA is holding the information cards close to the vest. There is a good chance it will launch in the last few days of March as it is required by the budget bill ( my opinion). The local dealers don't even know the rebate exists... and this is Albany. The NYS budget runs April 1 thru March 31 this is why they have to get the program running in this 2016-2017 budget year.

 

[NYRob]

^ thanks for that!

I have sent an email to NYSERDA asking for clarity.


Your post pretty much confirms what the "other" Chevy rep told me....

1) It's a $2K instant rebate off the price of the car.
2) It only becomes effective on 4/1/2017 and only cars purchased on or after April 1st 2017 will be eligible for the rebate.
3) Anyone who purchases a Bolt before 4/1/2017 will not receive the $2K rebate.


He also told me:
- he learned this info from a Bolt class he took last week.
- The Volt will be eligible for $1750 (IIRC) rebate.

 

[llninja]

On a $35k Bolt at 8% sales tax, that is a better deal than NY's $2000 rebate, by about $800.00

I wish NY had done the no sales tax thing instead of the rebate. The amount of money spent on deciding how to even implement the rebate seems silly to me. A sales tax exemption, in theory, seems a lot easier logistically, and is still effectively a point of sale rebate since sales tax is typically collected by the dealership at time of sale.

States with no sales tax usually make up for it somehow, either with a really high vehicular registration tax or higher property taxes. There's no free lunch (though Chris Christie probably should hold off from eating a few lunches).

For NY state, at least you have a state rebate. IL had a sweet 10% off base MSRP which mean $3914 for a gen1, $500 less for a gen2, but the program has been suspended because of inept government can't seem to balance a checkbook if their life depended on it. So there's a stalemate between the legistlature and the governor. Governor says to bring a balanced budget, and the legistlators want to keep everything going borrowing along the way with deficit spending. It's quite a circus, but not as bad as two previous Governors who are in prison. But no matter how bad it gets, I'm not leaving my little rural paradise.

 

[1612202]

^ thanks for that!

I have sent an email to NYSERDA asking for clarity.


Your post pretty much confirms what the "other" Chevy rep told me....

1) It's a $2K instant rebate off the price of the car.
2) It only becomes effective on 4/1/2017 and only cars purchased on or after April 1st 2017 will be eligible for the rebate.
3) Anyone who purchases a Bolt before 4/1/2017 will not receive the $2K rebate.


He also told me:
- he learned this info from a Bolt class he took last week.
- The Volt will be eligible for $1750 (IIRC) rebate.

Keep us posted. I am shopping for a new Volt since there is 0% this month.

There is an AP story on Green Car Reports 3/6/17 that has some info... http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ctric-car-rebate-program-to-launch-this-month.

 

[NYRob]

^ Read that report... thanks.

I'll let you know how NYSERDA replies, although asking for clarity from Albany seems a bit ironic doesn't it?

 

[nealauto]

NO 100% Sticker With Me

 

[nealauto]

So is it clear that this Instant Rebate from NYS can only be used for Purchase and Not Lease?

 

[jbakerjonathan]

Yes, there is a free L2 Chargepoint station in the adjacent public parking lot next to my job that I have been using since 2012 for my PIP and Volt.

I have a 240v 40amp Juicebox setup at home as well.

Funny. I googled L2 charging stations in Riverhead and didn't see the one on Griffing Ave/Court St. using this site:

http://solvingev.com/charging-stations/zip/11901-riverhead-ny

I thought that was strange as I recall you could use one next to where you worked. Going to the ChargePoint site reveals the truth.

Have you noticed any degradation in the plug in the 5 years of using the station?

 

[1612202]

So is it clear that this Instant Rebate from NYS can only be used for Purchase and Not Lease?

it is far too early to determine if the rebate will be instant at the dealership. I bought 3 Gen 1 Volts from the largest Albany area dealer and they asked me if I heard anything when I went shopping for a Gen 2. I cant believe that they would be given the tools and forms to do the deal on April 1 without any prior vetting or training in the program. But you never know. Time will tell.